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Take this one, written 20 minutes ago:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607997591870124032

Depicting the LGBT flag as one of the attributes of a brainwashed person.

You can see many tweets like this, belittling minorities, when you scroll through the "Tweets & replies" tab on Musks profile.

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I think you are missing the nuances of this picture.

Can you explain it? I am also struggling.

My understanding is there's controversy about the "new" LGBT flag even among the movement.

So? Acting like Musk is making a point on behalf of LGBT people is so incredibly disingenuous it speaks to your character as a liar no different from Musk himself. There's a world where it's possible that could be what he meant, but it's not the one we are living in! Look around.

> Acting like Musk is making a point on behalf of LGBT people

You are fighting imaginary windmills here. I never said Musk is acting on behalf of LGBT.

Then what was your point? Do tell... it's of no consequence that something could be true. We are here determining what is true.

> Then what was your point? Do tell... it's of no consequence that something could be true. We are here determining what is true.

Look, learn to read FFS. This is a subthread where parent claims Musk is anti-LGBT based on the flag in the picture. Which has to be `(anyone who disapproves flag -> anti-LGBT) and (Musk is anyone) -> Musk is anti-LGBT`. And I am proving this sentence false from `(any LGBT is pro-LGBT) and (there's at least one L who is LGBT and who disaprroves the flag)` which contradicts the above statement rendering the argument invalid, specifically `anyone who disapproves flag -> anti-LGBT` part. Therefore the picture does not show Musk is anti-LGBT, at least not via the flag reasoning.

I have no problem reading. The assertion wasn't that Elon Musk is anti-LGBT because of that single tweet. It was that single tweet was another example of him being LGBT. The irony that you miss this while telling me to "learn to read FFS" is not lost on me and once again speaks to your lack of credibility in being a reasonable person about this. You cannot seriously suggest that Musk is engaging in criticism of the flag from a pro-LGBT stance because he's objectively not pro-LGBT. He posted the other day that his pronouns are "prosecute fauci" he's not an LGBT ally. Sorry to break it to you. But this is the state of things today. Read the fucking news or something, give me a break from your disingenuous BS.

Oh, but you do.

I responded to the specific claim. You are talking about something entirely different, generalizing a lot, and equating individual policy preferences with giant groups of people.

The claim I responded to was a BS. The way you argue is a BS. If "the fucking news" are doing the same, then they are also BS, and I'd rather read sources recommended by people who actually understand what's written rather than read what they want to see between the lines.

Be as obtuse as you want, it's not my problem.

Great point, it also expresses an anti-vaccine sentiment!

Considering the number of needles on the picture, that wouldn't be my interpretation.

My bad, I should have said "covid vaccine". Thanks for understanding.

Like really you don't see any other options for the implied content of the needles?

I think a statement that there are too many covid shots is fundamentally the same point I made, but feel free to make yourself clear at any time.

Have you considered they may be drug needles, not vaccine shots?

No I didn't, and I disagree. Are you joking? The image, literally, captures every conservative grievance regarding the culture wars of late. And you think it's more likely that those needles don't represent the multiple covid vaccines that were hugely controversial amongst this same crowd? You are entirely not credible. You are making ridiculous and unreasonable posts all over this thread, trying to say that these things which obviously indicate what they do, must mean something else.

> And you think it's more likely that those needles don't represent the multiple covid vaccines that were hugely controversial amongst this same crowd?

Are you saying the drugs issue is not a "conservative grievance regarding the culture wars of late"?

This goes directly against "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. "

> You are entirely not credible.

That's just a personal attack again.

"Needle drugs" aren't a "conservative grievance regarding the culture war" and certainly nowhere near comparable to vaccines, which the image obviously reflects (the three boosters, then the fourth) and they also aren't intravenous...

I didn't stick with an easier plausible interpretation. Both of your interpretations are clear nonsense and you are not credible because you keep making completely baseless, specious arguments. If you find that offensive, stop making these kinds of arguments.

> "Needle drugs" aren't a "conservative grievance regarding the culture war" and certainly nowhere near comparable to vaccines, which the image obviously reflects (the three boosters, then the fourth) and they also aren't intravenous..

Just for you I googled up the top conservative reddit, and scanned it for topics until I hit vaccines or drugs, and drugs came up first.

The fact that you've posted this as if it proves anything, let alone your point, really speaks to just how far off you are from being reasonable.

Right, cause your claim was substantiated much better.

The image speaks for itself. The needles are in the exact places where the vaccines go, which is also exactly where you don't put intravenous drugs. Either you are ignorant or foolish.

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