Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports
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That being said, the religious requirement is modest dress. Some traditions interpret that to require covering the hair or face. Other traditions do not. Hijab was uncommon in Bangladesh when my parents were growing up, but is increasingly common today due to growing cultural influence from middle eastern schools of Islam. That said, it’s worth noting that Islam is not like Protestant Christianity where lay people are supposed to interpret the meaning for themselves. Where relevant Islamic experts have spoken you’re supposed to defer to their interpretation.
Allah SWT’s mercy is boundless, hudhud punishments can’t be enacted for something minor of this sort. Iranian government lost the plot and is using every excuse to feign legitimacy when it never had any.
The same thing is repeated all over the world unfortunately with other religious faiths.
I fear that many of the people who have encouraged these protests are still in the shadows smiling everytime someone dies.
Alinejad is one of them.
Calling Alinejad a journalist is like calling Edward Snowden a journalist. They are nothing other than whistleblowers. Except Alinejad lied this one instance and shows glee when people die.
Please don't make these protests largely about the regime. They are specifically protesting for their rights.
Is your point that an exec losing his job (he can get several thousand lower paying jobs and still survive like most people do) is somehow analogous to a woman being jailed or killed for what they choose to wear (or not to wear, in this case?)
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Unspecified "Muslim people on Facebook" say something you are almost certain to disagree with.
No examples, no nuance, just a call to racism.
Muslim people living in places with the freedom to choose generally consider it a choice whereas those living in places without that freedom do not or will not admit to such a belief.
Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rules. From our perspective there is no logical difference between this and Western dress codes in public.
The reason people find a problem with this whole Iran/Hijab thing is not because Women are being compelled to wear it. This wouldn't make sense because governments force things on us all the time.
The real reason is that they hate the hijab. To them, the hijab is oppressive, a sign of patriarchy, a sick form of sexual repression. I mean why else are women protesting in the streets because of it? Surely it must be a symbol of oppression that is finally finding expression in public? Right?
This is a much more sensible reason for us. The haters of Islam have always been running their mouths. They have never made a difference to us Muslims.
> And young daughters maybe six years old with hijab.
To encourage them to wear it, get them accustomed to it. Its not required for them.
Again if someone's knee-jerk reaction to that is "oh my God you are indoctrinating little children who are so innocent, this is child abuse!!!" then I want them to know THAT IS OKAY for them to believe.
Like I said above, hatred of Islam and its public expression is something we are used to.
Just guessing but that is going to mess with kids body-image and cause lots of psychological problems in the future.
I’d guess the body image issues & mental health kinda play second fiddle to the fact that in a lot of Muslim countries you can legally beat the shit out of your wife and then rape and impregnate her…
Just as long as that stays in Afghanistan and isn’t imported to the developed world we’re all good lol.
Basically, as long as you're not dressing in a way that attracts attention to yourself, then you're fulfilling the purpose of hijab.
So if this is only your opinion, it is not an opinion based in sound evidence, or at least please bring some to support it.
Many orthodox methodologies of deriving legal rulings (fiqh) from Islamic sources already exist. Scholars from all orthodox schools of thought agree on the woman’s hair being part of what must be covered.
One can come up with many interpretations of divine revelation, but unless someone is guided on the right path, they may come up with conclusions that go astray from the correct way. This is the last part of the supplication of Surah Al-Fatihah (opening chapter of the Quran): a request to be guided on the right path and not of those who are displeasing or misguided.
So I think when you say substantial disagreement, this is not correct. Someone may accept that what they are doing is wrong but are too weak to change. Also, if the people who disagree are not educated or well-studied, their opinion holds less weight than an expert in that particular field.
Reason is very important, which is why interpreting revelation without considering the scholarly tradition may lead to unreasonable conclusions.
That's not a true premise and an argument based on that isn't sound.
In any case, I'm not on Hacker News to discuss religion, so I'll end the discussion here.
Considering that you are spending the effort to write a comment on HN, I guess you are trying to argue for some position. Being Muslim, you have an insider view on the topic, and I'm very curious to see it.
What should my takeaway be?
I'm genuinely confused by your statements. The way I read it, when you ask "Right?", the prior sentence must be sarcastic. Is it? If so, what should the non-sarcastic explanation be?
The reason women are protesting in Iran is not because they hate Islam. They’re protesting against an unaccountable and corrupt dictatorship which acts only in its own interests, not in the interest of upholding a fair and just Islamic society.
Western dress codes generally do not distinguish between men and women and for the most part the convention against exposing women’s breasts in public is not a legal one, and there are protests. And where there are protests the protestors aren’t being tortured and killed like they are in Iran.
[0] although it does seem similar to most countries', judging by the (commonly observed) fact that several of their international athletes started out competing under a different flag.
And she will not return to Iran. She and her husband already moved to Spain.
Quite a number of Soviet chess players defected while attending tournaments abroad.