1000s lose power after 3 substations targeted in Washington state, sheriff says
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> equipment vandalized but nothing taken from the sites
Bust just out of curiosity, how do we make it so people can be trusted, so that then "society works"?
This cannot be difficult for anyone to understand. Most people cannot afford this in the US (and many other “modernized” countries) — yet we have access to lightspeed comms, which enables mass organization.
It is only a matter of time before these injustices materialize insurgency.
Even land these days costs a fortune almost everywhere. land — undeveloped, with nothing. So legally, most people can’t even opt out in this country by buying a remote plot, building a little cabin and getting some peace and quiet. The paperwork and process is so convoluted with so many useless parties, and the asking prices for land that’s being squatted is unbelievable.
I think we are just at the end of the experience of a nation’s cycle. You cannot show people “with” what it’s like to be “without” so it simply cannot be understood. Those “with” rule because they have time to rule, and they always rule in their favor. It isn’t hard to imagine what proceeds from that.
It’s not a difference of competence, it’s a difference of axioms. You believe that (almost?) all people would desist from antisocial behavior if they had food, shelter and medical care. Others do not believe this, because they have different beliefs regarding human nature.
I am saying there would be significantly less legitimate reason to vandalize or rebel against a social structure that was inclusive and supportive of its people. If opportunity was afforded people, with a patient kindness, you would be amazed at what’s possible.
Not seeing that is most certainly a difference of competence, the competency being compassion.
By not marginalizing people. There is a strong push to make all conservative viewpoints (and people) irredeemable and not part of society.
What happened to agree to disagree?
Democrats for the most part seem incapable of understanding Republican viewpoints, they just throw up their hands and call them "crazy" or other such words. You are not required to agree with the viewpoint, but you ARE required to understand it, and understand why a person might have a viewpoint you disagree with.
If you can't do that, you are the problem.
I’ll agree to disagree with you about how best we spend our tax dollars. I’ll agree to disagree with you about the right strategy to tackle climate change. I’ll agree to disagree with you about what infrastructure projects we prioritize or how we distribute foreign aid.
What I won’t “agree to disagree” about is that LGBTQ people deserve not to be discriminated against. I won’t agree to disagree about whether trans people should be accepted for who they are or if we should follow the broad scientific consensus on how to help people with gender dysohoria feel comfortable as themselves.
An agreement to disagree is, ultimately, a reinforcement and protection of the status quo and when the status quo is deeply cruel to certain people in our country, I have no need or desire to pretend that we’re having a mere policy disagreement.
This the crux of the matter. This is what is so controversial - should women lose their hard-won sex-based rights, just so men who want to be them can benefit?
For example you listed certain things that you think everyone must agree with.
But another person might think those things are unimportant and climate change is the thing no one is allowed to disagree about "because it's going kill everyone", which makes it easily outweigh your things.
> I have no need or desire to pretend that we’re having a mere policy disagreement.
In your mind everyone must agree with you, except on things that you define as "policy disagreements"?
What happens when another person feels just as strongly as you, but in the other direction? Is the only possible result a never-ending fight?
You seriously can not think of single argument against your positions? If you can't, then you are problem, not them.
Never said I did - just said that I’m not going to simply agree to disagree. In a disagreement between someone pushing for change and someone advocating for maintaining the status quo, “agreeing to disagree” is a win for the status quo.
> In your mind everyone must agree with you, except on things that you define as "policy disagreements"?
Again, not what I said. You are free to hold those positions but I’m not going to “agree to disagree” and I’m going to judge someone who holds those positions.
> You seriously can not think of single argument against your positions? If you can't, then you are problem, not them.
I definitely can, but I don’t particularly care to examine or take seriously the arguments against “trans people shouldn’t be discriminated against”.
You really think this is an isolated incident?
"Sunday marked the latest incidents in a string of attacks on electricity substations in Washington and Oregon this winter. The motives are unclear. But energy experts have warned the power grid is a prize target for domestic terrorists.
A U.S. Department of Homeland Security memo warned in January that extremist groups have been creating “credible, specific plans” to attack power facilities since at least 2020. This month, two North Carolina electricity substations were shot up and damaged, causing thousands of people to lose power."
That article links to this...
EXPLAINER: US power grid has long faced terror threat [Dec. 5, 2022] https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/explainer-u...
Top voted comment, with links to DHS warnings, prior incidents, praise from other agitators, etc...
What's the deal with Americans attacking power stations? [ Dec. 26, 2022] https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/zvixzt/whats_...
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So, no, the trogs who shot up these substations haven't been apprehended, much less quoted. But methinks these crimes are related. Walks like a duck...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr/two-charged-attacks-fou...
Things are bad now, but no worse than they have been.