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> The only two issues you mention that are real have nothing to do with Linux itself but third-party support.

If you don’t think sleep or power management issues on Linux are real you should do a cursory google. You not having the flu doesn’t mean the flu doesn’t exist and isn’t running rampant.

Also, third party support is critical. The majority of user would not want to use Linux if it didn’t have any access to Dropbox, Spotify, Slack, Discord, VLC, or any of the other creature comforts people expect to be able to use these days.

> Spotify shortcut works fine but maybe you were using a broken package?

Ctrl + right and Ctrl + left (next & previous track) are broken and have been for a long while now. Again, do some research.

> I never had an issue with Pulse but Pipewire is the new king on the block and works so smooth.

Pipewire uses PulseEQ. Also, this has nothing to do with what I mentioned (internal speakers not automatically being EQ’d with a ‘small speaker’ EQ). If you ever hear a MacBook, you’ll be flummoxed by how good it sounds in comparison to the tinny sound of your laptop. EQ is king.

> If you don’t think sleep or power management issues on Linux are real you should do a cursory google.

It's probably terrible on unsupported hardware. Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue.

> majority of user would not want to use Linux if it didn’t have any access to Dropbox, Spotify, Slack, Discord, VLC

Good thing all of those programs are natively packaged for most distros, then.

> Ctrl + right and Ctrl + left (next & previous track) are broken and have been for a long while now.

...because Spotify migrated it's shortcuts to the more technically-correct MPRIS implementation. If you want shortcuts, set them globally and Spotify will respect it.

I'm not going to make the argument that 'everyone should use Linux', but it makes me sad listening to software developers level outdated complaints against the ecosystem. Linux is fine these days, if you don't edit video or do intensive creative work then I see no reason to avoid it.

> It's probably terrible on unsupported hardware. Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue.

Even on supported hardware there are often tons of snags. You either get a ‘blessed’ device (XPS, some Lenovos, System76, Framework) or trouble lurks. And note that many many more devices are considered ‘supported’!

> ...because Spotify migrated it's shortcuts to the more technically-correct MPRIS implementation. If you want shortcuts, set them globally and Spotify will respect it.

And yet most of the other shortcuts work fine. I also don’t want global player control, because it always ends up activating on the program I don’t want it to.

I also don’t want to have to configure shortcuts manually. They should work out of the box.

Imagine how laughable it would be if Davinci or Darktable or Krita asked you to set all shortcuts yourself.

> Good thing all of those programs are natively packaged for most distros, then.

And yet they nearly always have rough edges the other platforms don’t seem to have. See my Dropbox problem. Or Discord running on such an old Electron that it creates problems with Wayland. No, Webcord isn’t a solution as it is missing a bunch of features and in maintenance mode.

> but it makes me sad listening to software developers level outdated complaints against the ecosystem

I’m getting so irate because they’re not outdated problems. You’re plugging your ears and going ‘la la la la’ thinking that if you don’t acknowledge the problems a lot of others are having, they don’t exist.

What are you running like a 5 year old distro? The only problem that actually exists that you mention is Dropbox client may have issues and an official Google Drive client doesn't exist. If you are having so many issues then it sounds like you've either chosen a poor distro or it is a user issue. None of the other issues exists for me on Arch. I've never even looked for a 'Linux-supported" laptop, whatever that means.

It's fascinating behavior. I remember having an issue a while ago and describing it on a forum and the linux defenders literally told me that the issue doesn't exist and I am just making things up. They would simply ignore reality that didn't conform to their belief that linux is the holy grail and is beyond criticism. Psychologists would have field day with these people.

What was the issue? It seems like a lot of people that say things like this are so vague that they really just want to complain but not provide enough information to allow anyone to help.

I can't help notice your post history is just a bunch of Linux bashing without any details about what doesn't work.

> Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue.

I have a laptop with that is specifically designed to support out-of-the box and the first thing I had to do with the stock PopOS was disable sleep and hibernate because it reliably crashed the system. Even "Linux-compatible" hardware is extremely hit-or-miss.

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