Audi is converting all factories to produce EVs as it phases out gas cars
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https://electrek.co/2021/09/23/norway-bans-gas-cars-in-2025-... (Norway bans gas car sales in 2025, but trends point toward 100% EV sales as early as April 2022)
https://time.com/6133180/norway-electric-vehicles/ (What Norway Can Teach the World About Switching to Electric Vehicles)
(Hybrids are counted in Norway’s electric vehicle stats, but are less than 10% of new vehicle sales)
I'd pay a premium for a Plug-in Hybrid especially if I can use the motor as a generator for my house.
I thought the ev issue was for those who wish to evacuate long distances without having to recharge to reach the destination.
Say you had to live in Kyiv for whatever reason right now. With the rolling outages would you rather have a plug-in hybrid or an EV?
11 hours runtime at 4kW == 44kWh capacity. 44/7.5 gallon tank == 5.8 kWh per gallon. Lets say your EV has average efficiency of 3.5 miles per kWh, so that’s about 20 mpg off the generator. Apply a 13% efficiency loss while charging (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36062942/evs-explaine...) and it reduces to 18mpg. Better than a lot of cars still on the road.
Newer cars with auto-stop engines might make the comparison a lot farier for the ICE, though.
EVs work pretty OK in Norway. Some observations is that most/many choose to install a charger at home (or in the parking underneath their apartment), so the car starts every day fully charged. Another is that the grid is so built out that there is electricity "everywhere". Not necessarily enough for a super charger, but there is something. Most cabins have electricity for example. My hypothesis is that there are much fewer meters of road which is more than a kilometer from a source of electric power (at least in the south where most people live) in Norway compared to the US or Canada (relative to size).
What do you do about the snow plows, garbage trucks, ambulances, police cars, buses, etc....vehicles that are currently being used for several hours a day and can't have any downtime??
The city busses charge over night, and some (I believe) in the lull between morning and evening rush hours. High traffic routes can charge while running(!) using overhead wires (city used to have old trolley buses). See [1]. They'll connect and disconnect to the wired infrastructure on parts of their route. At 3:14 in [1] you'll see the moment of disconnect. At 4:20 it reconnects. These busses can run continuously.
Taxis in the city are 50/50 electric and hybrid (prius) I would guess, just based on what I see on the streets. By law they have to all be electric by october 2025 in this county. Taxis have fast chargers next to their stands.
There are electric excavators and the like for inner city construction. Apparently some can run for up to 6h using only onboard battery. They usually drop some huge containers with charge ports near the work sites, which I assume extend this run time (+slow charge from the grid). You often see them connected with huge cables to these containers during static work.
Garbage trucks where I live are a mix of diesel and electrics. Majority is still diesel. Afaik the electrics run for a full shift. They're trying hard to get rid of garbage trucks where possible though, using underground pipes. You swipe an RFID at a "terminal", it opens, you dump in your garbage, vacuum pulls it to the incinerator facility, it gets burned, water gets heated, and then pushed back to homes as district heating. Obviously won't work for suburbia or rural communities.
The switchover is, however, unstoppable. Even though no one has asked themselves if this will save the environment (it won't). I've roughly calculated that we can half our oil usage if we all switch over to electric vehicles. But that's far from what's needed to save the world from climate change.
I also predict that BEV's will eventually be a lot cheaper than ICE cars. This will in itself have profound consequences since more people will want to use the road network and congestion is already a problem today.
They're constantly carrying around the weight AND space of both the EV (battery, internal charger, etc) and the ICE (gas, transmission, engine, etc).
This means that using either is quite inefficient in terms of total energy used to travel a distance, and neither can be very good. (Limited battery range, weaker engine)
They also have to deal with the wear and maintenance of both systems.
I would rather just have one or the other.
And are all the ice cars going to be just left to die? Will people be reimbursed for their now-worthless scrap? Will companies and part suppliers survive the transition - they’re going to Osborne their product line!
My guess is that other manufacturers will do much the same, and in the regions/countries where the infrastructure isn't updated by 2035, a lot of people will then buy used ICE scrap from more progressive areas instead of the new cars they might prefer.
Sadly paywalled, but you get the gist: https://www-aftenbladet-no.translate.goog/okonomi/i/69P7w3/n...
It is in fact NOT universally true that EV is a lower cost of operation or TCO as a comparable ICE
Sure if you are only ever home charging, overnight, off peak then yea that will be cheaper than Gas
But if you have to use Fast Charging, from a retail station, chances are your cost to charge your EV will be pretty comparable to the cost of Gas.
EV conversions are a great idea for collectible cars / hobby cars. Classic VW Bug, Fiat 500s, etc.
Some folks will choose to keep ICE cars even after the majority have switched, and this is fine, too. At that point, parts, service, and fuel for those vehicles will be harder to obtain and more expensive. Modern batteries will be good until after most owners have already sold or traded the car, and battery swaps are fairly easy with "skateboard" type (modern) EV designs.
Will the market step up to provide access to charging, etc? Of course! There's money to be made and lots of it. Will ICE parts and service suppliers (or dealers) survive the change? No, most will not. Many of the most expensive and service-heavy parts of an ICE vehicle don't even exist on an EV, and most service will be done at home by a truck that visits your house. Likewise, EVs will not be stocked on lots like ICE cars are, so there goes a big chuck of the dealer sales/service model.
Are we just going to let all the horse and buggys to die? Will people be reimbursed for their now worthless horses? What about coach companies and horse feed suppliers?
It's a transition just like anything else. There likely will be some deaths to some parts companies, if they can't pivot. That's healthy, although painful.
Also, Audi makes ~1.7 million cars a year. Replacing those all with EVs is a much, much easier task than replacing something like VW that makes ~8-9 M/yr cars.
edit: also, nobody taxed horse owners extra just to clear the way for cars.
What tax are you referring to?
https://www.acea.auto/fact/overview-electric-vehicles-tax-be...
(download the pdf for the full table)
> nobody taxed horse owners extra just to clear the way for cars.
This implies an extra tax on ICE to make them switch to EV.
https://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/fiscal-instruments-fa...
"Examples from a number of countries show that this uptake can be enhanced by well-designed incentives and taxes."
"most European countries have based their vehicle taxation schemes on type-approval CO2 emission values and increased the number of incentives to purchase new electric vehicles."
To me it seems that ICE owners are taxed more compared to EV owners. I don't understand what exactly it is you argue against.