There's a subreddit called r/toprightmessi which is a collection of graphs showing how much Messi excels in so many respects. Crazy how in the biggest sport in the world there can be a player so far above and beyond the rest.
[1] https://www.firstpost.com/sports/firstpost-explains-how-does...
Looking at the figure, for example, one thing I noticed was the gap between the two upper points and the rest. It's hard for me to imagine there aren't some missing points there.
In other fields or areas, I think you have to start asking about things like fraud, other vice, or circumstances.
As you suggest, there's probably also some unique things about international football that make it difficult to generalize to other things. Everything is probably a little unique in certain ways really, but the incentives are so extreme and the play is very visible.
[1] https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/04/21/usain-bolt-beijing...
Usain Bolt did so on a special occasion, he explained he just didn't know where to eat
It's pretty obvious his average meal is not "fast" food, he would never have reached this level else
And empirically, you have Gretzky in hockey, Jordan in basketball....
There's still studies of relatively raw distributions and it still looks normal. The biggest deviations from normality are due to an excess mass in the lower range due to disease, and a tendency for scores to spike a tiny bit at certain numbers, probably due to people administering the test fudging a bit sometimes for various reasons.
How are you going to tell me that an L1 norm is equivalent to an L2 norm, for example?
In the end it doesn’t whether we go to infinity in one norm or the other.
Note that I am talking about finite dimensions, so I guess you didn’t mean the L^p norms or \ell^p for integrable functions or sequences but the finite-dimensional p-norms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDsztJOgqUg
TL;DR / TL;DW: Messi is a dog. The ball is his.
It's a lovely but also profound literary article in the subject of Messi never losing sight of the ball, while also a critique on modern day analysis of the game and its influence on player behavior.
I think it is interesting to ask why Messi is such an outlier. But maybe you think the fact that someone has to be best makes it all uninteresting.
And yes, I think that the fact that someone will be the best makes it uninteresting, or at least a lot less interesting than if a skill could be universally taught to the point where everybody would be very good at it and it would be productive.
Professional sports is roughly at the same level of interest to me as a circus.
And his WC Final rival and PSG team mate.
p.s. Schumacher drove a car, so I'm not sure he is a fair comparison to physical sportsmen
Going past an opposition player in basketball, football or rugby is very similar. Sprinting to the line to keep a ball in play is something tennis players, footballers and cricketers all do.
Driving is entirely different, and not really comparable.
> would destroy most athletes from other sports
This is pretty hyperbolic, I wonder if you might like to reconsider it.
If you read my other comment you will see my line of reasoning. At no point have I denigrated racing drivers, so there's no need to rush to their defence.
Apparently, a good batting average for a modern-day batsman is 40+ with those above 50 being exceptional. Bradman's average was 99.94. The second highest average of all time is 60.97.
As the parent poster points out, the next highest average is in the low 60s (actually 61.87 now[1]). Looking at the stats though, we see averages are roughly a normal curve, centered on 40 with a standard deviation of a little over 9[2]. This puts Bradman over 6 standard deviations above average!
[1] https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/282910.htm...
[2] https://www.significancemagazine.com/sports/24-did-don-bradm...
He's probably not as well known as someone like Gretzky in North America, so his name wouldn't immediately spring to mind on forums like this. In cricket, there just isn't any debate about the greatest - the only area of interest is about who comes next (Viv Richards or Brian Lara in my opinion)
I think you might find there are a fairly large number of Indian, Australian and English people on this forum who will find his name does spring to mind immediately. It's more about the timezone than numbers.
> who comes next (Viv Richards or Brian Lara in my opinion)
Tendulkar.
Viv Richards was amazing at his best but declined badly. Lara's best innings were better than anyone (maybe even Bradman) but he wasn't as consistent and unfortunately he was playing in a declining team.
But I'm old enough to remember his 1993 innings of 277 at the SCG. In some ways that was enough to hold off Australia being undisputably the best team in the world for another couple of years.
If you don't count his goals, he still has more points than the next guy. Points are goals plus assists.
Something like 15 of the best 20 seasons in history by points are him.
Player of the year every year for a decade.
The only thing that makes it look less spectacular is that ice hockey is not the world's favourite sport.
Messi is the goat of a game that is massively popular on every continent, that you can find people playing in a park in almost every city.
However, these records are incredibly influenced by the era he played in. Look at a list of the highest scoring seasons for teams ever and it’s either far pre expansion or the late 70s and 80s - Gretzky’s era.
Messi’s records are astounding for the reason that soccer scoring trends have remained far more stable (imo)
And he just got his finals MVP in 2022, kind of the only thing people lamented about for their careers.
They have pretty interesting similarities: * their teams in their primes, GSW and Barcelona are both dynasty teams with highest level teamplay. GSW rountinely have the highest number assists in the league, Barcelona have more successive passes than almost any other teams. * they are both considered more technical and humble comparing to peers like L. James, and C. Ronaldo, which pocess more physical talents and show dominant personalities