Fusion won’t cause a runaway reaction — in fact it’s brutally difficult to get it to react at all, hence why this is an achievement.
It also doesn’t use materials that can be used for a bomb, again unlike fission.
As a result it has the potential to be cheaper to implement, cheaper to fuel, with no meltdown risk.
To illustrate how little it's controlled-- I have a little bit on my keychain as an alpha source with a phosphor so my keyring always glows.
And whilst I won’t doubt that if fusion ever becomes commercially viable the reactors would be walk away safe it doesn’t mean that you don’t need to account for that in your design.
Fusion energy has a theoretical max that’s orders of magnitude higher.
Wind+solar is the path to decarbonization and sustaining our current world.
Fusion is the path to post scarcity. If/when we get scalable commercial fusion, it’ll be like the transition to oil - society will radically change, in ways we can’t predict.
Except this is also true for fission. So if fission has failed to transform society, why do you think fusion will?
I recommend you read up on the Gen IV reactor designs. They’re totally safe - meltdowns are impossible because of the way the reactor is built. If anything catastrophic happens, the reaction stops and can never get to a runaway reaction (physically impossible). Look up Gen 4 reactors. Those will be available before fusion even gets off the ground (and I’ll note that fusion has 0 reactors built so who knows what kind of safety issues actually come up when engineering theory hits the road).
Even Gen III reactors are fine to put up everywhere (20x margin over Gen II) and Gen III+ reactors continue with the theme of adding passive safety measures that would prevent accidents like Fukushima and Chernobyl. Critics who rate any possibility of accident as unacceptable will never be pleased but that’s not a reasonable position to take because nuclear energy isn’t built in a vacuum and global warming and existing coal power poses a significantly higher threat and renewables and batteries simply can’t scale no matter how hard we believe.
Fukushima and Chernobyl were Gen II designs which do have a cost advantage and EVEN WITH THOSE ACCIDENTS those designs are safer than existing coal and LNG power plants we are fine with having all over the place (nuclear is slightly safer than wind). Even Gen II designs built today are a fair bit safer than Chernobyl and Fukushima. Fukushima also ignored many and repeated safety warnings from internal and external reports although critics will generally point to this as a general criticism against all reactors (even though Fukushima still failed comparatively harmlessly all things considered).
Even with all of that, the death rate per kWH generated is drastically safer than coal and on par with wind and solar. Also construction costs tend to go down when the regulatory environment doesn’t inhibit building reactors due to political fears that aren’t grounded in the actual engineering.
I’ll also note that China is building many many nuclear reactors and Russia is also following suit. So from a competition/national security perspective, China and Russia both have access to significantly more clean energy and more energy independence than we do.
Look. I understand there are problems with fission reactors. They remain the only feasible way to generate nuclear power in the next 60-100 years at scale. Yes there are downsides and risks. However there’s one big upside vs fusion: it exists. It’s possible to build these plants now without physics and engineering breakthroughs we haven’t made yet. The advantages of fusion are safety, nuclear waste management, theoretical proliferation concerns. There’s no reason to believe construction costs will be significantly lower. Even if they are, we’re not even close to the first real commercial power plant even with this achievement as impressive as it is from a progress perspective.
> Look. I understand there are problems with fission reactors. They remain the only feasible way to generate nuclear power in the next 60-100 years at scale. Yes there are downsides and risks. However there’s one big upside vs fusion: it exists.
If you re-read the original comment, it supposed that fusion exists. You can't criticize something in development for not existing and use that as a point against why it won't be beneficial. That's circular reasoning.
> The advantages of fusion are safety, nuclear waste management, theoretical proliferation concerns.
Yeah, just nuclear waste management. No big deal.
> They remain the only feasible way to generate nuclear power in the next 60-100 years at scale.
You absolutely cannot predict with that level of certainty over 100 year time scales. You severely underestimate how much we can achieve over timescales as long as that.
But yeah, future energy will be a mix of available technologies, not a single technology alone. So you need e.g. fusion (or fission) for "baseline" power and wind/solar for peaks
So in sum, the advantages are (1) dependability, (2) safety, and (3) small footprint.
Got a source for this? The only time I've seen this has been political talking points that had no backing.
Damaging that has got to be a lot better for the planet than coal or nuclear.
I grew up by the desert, and I don't know why people think it's dead. There are some extremely fragile ecosystems there.
Sounds like you're talking about a single country?
I'm talking about when I've driven through the Sahara (West and East side), Namib, Simpson, Great Sandy, Gibson, etc. etc.
There is a HUGE amount of land on earth for things like solar and wind.
Renewable generation + storage gives a system that's capable of meeting base load needs, just as nuclear generation does. Cost comparisons among base load-capable technologies is a better way to evaluate the economics, IMHO.
I think you've understood it.
Imo fusion is never going to be able to compete with renewables+storage with the energy being captured from neutrons. Maybe reactions that release energy in charged particles or photons could, but they're even harder to do.
Also, when comparing to renewable+storage you have to consider how much land has to be dedicated to energy use in these scenarios. Wind and solar require orders of magnitude more than a potential fusion reactor (or an existing fission reactor).
The easiest fusion reactions to make happen release most energy as neutrons. But neutrons are, from a practical standpoint, a huge pain in the ass to deal with. They just fly off until they hit another atomic nucleus.
They irradiate the structure of reactor, making it radioactive and weakening it, neccesating periodic replacement. This means handling radioactive materials, which as the existing nuclear power industry demonstrates, is hard to make cheap.
Reactions that release excess energy as charged particles, though all harder to actually do, leave you with charged particles that can be directed by electric or magnetic fields and can be used for direct enerergy conversion.
Yes solar requires a lot of surface area, but fusion power is just not looking like it will be anywhere near cheap enough for the real estate savings to matter.
At the moment fusion is obviously not cheap but no one is planning on using the technology in its current form for actual power generation. The processes involved will all get more efficient and given the astronomical upper limits of energy output from fusion it doesn't take a big stretch of the imagination to think that it will eventually be preferable to solar and wind power. There's no guarantee that will happen but hopefully this breakthrough will trigger more investment and momentum to make it a reality. I also want to add that I'm very pro solar and wind, especially in the short term.
Also, you could eventually put one on a spaceship or other planet. For that Star Trek future.
The cleanest energy available now is nuclear fission, but there is no money in it for the energy industry. It is too plentiful and cheap if implemented properly and capitalism does not like plentiful and cheap.
France has had cheap electricity for decades and it seems it has been so cheap that they don't want it anymore.
This is all capitalist boondoggles.