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This has been law in Colorado for 2 years and applies to anyone offering jobs to any Colorado resident including remote jobs.

The law passed in 2019 and went into effect Jan 1, 2021.

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I was just in a Walgreens near Boulder a few days ago and noticed that they were advertising for pharmacy assistants and didn't post their salary range, and also didn't list it even after I went to sign up online for the job. So I have to guess a lot of employers are disregarding the law. I was also disappointed when I found out there wasn't a particularly easy way to report the violation to the state. It could just be a webform that I fill out that takes 2 minutes, but there was so much overhead that I decided I didn't care enough to complete it.

If I search for job listings for Boulder, CO or Colorado, US on Walgreens' website, I get zero results.

It did pop up with New York City job listings, like this one:

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/job/new-york/duane-reade-shift...

Which do not list the pay range, but have tiny text at the bottom that says

>To see the salary range for this position please click here: Pay Transparency Duane Reade Shift Leader .

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/paydrsfl

And then if you search for similar positions, you get:

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/paypht

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/payhsrph

Check the site "walgreens.jobs", the listings are still there.

Here's a photo I took of the posting: https://i.imgur.com/jSl1Rjk.png

Oh, something must be broken with their search, or my Safari content blocker is blocking something which is breaking the search.

I found the a job listing in boulder here, which has the same pay range link as above:

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/job/boulder/pharmacy-technicia...

But yes, per CO law, the job posting you took a picture of should also state the same pay range and benefit info (page 4).

https://cdle.colorado.gov/sites/cdle/files/7%20CCR%201103-13...

I actually think they fixed the online version since the last time I checked - when I visited it 3 weeks ago, I remember the site staying on the "walgreens.jobs" domain for the entire visit - now it redirects to jobs.walgreens.com. I wonder if they were using an old poster from before the law came into effect, and maybe even the listings/website were old before the migration to jobs.walgreens.com - now they do include a link to the pay information, but I love how they make you copy and paste a URL instead of just directly including the info, or even making it a hyperlink.

Has Colorado actually enforced the law?

The major difference with the NY law is that NY is actually expected to enforce it. That being said, the law is deliberately expected to be leniently enforced, starting with warnings, and only after the warning has been issued will fines be enforced.

Also, another big difference is that other major states (CA & WA I believe) are expected to enact similar laws in 2023, so most US companies are pretty much switching over to displaying salary ranges by default nationally.

CA has passed their law and it takes effect on January 1

CO has enforced the law.

Different companies clearly have different legal teams giving differing advice. I found this one fascinating:

“If you are a Colorado or New York City resident and this role is a remote role, you can receive additional information about the compensation and benefits for this role, which we will provide upon request. Requests can be submitted here.“

link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScOlYgPtpG56uqO0O9j...

When I submitted my information I did not hear back, which does feel like a blatant violation of the law(s)

It amounts to plausible deniability. "We do just enough so you are less likely to sue us."

Do they blame this one on the lowest level recruiting employee who “must have forgotten to do their job”? That’s as plausible as what SBF’s defense will be.

Very blatant violation. They are just hoping they do not get nailed, and if they do, the fines are cheap enough to still make it worth hiding the pay range.

See page 4, it is spelled out pretty clearly that the posting itself needs to advertise the range.

https://cdle.colorado.gov/sites/cdle/files/7%20CCR%201103-13...

I actually heard back from them today! Crazy how long it took them

And yet many job postings, even those that are only in Colorado, still don't have the salary on the job posting.

My point is that it’s not a new law. It’s new for New York but other states have required it for a long time.

Only one jurisdiction other than NYC (not New York State) requires it, which is CO, and only as of Jan 1, 2021. NYC started Nov 1, 2022. CA and WA start Jan 1, 2023.

NY state is waiting on governor’s signature, but seeing as how it has been months and she has not signed it, I assume she will not.

It would be interesting to see if remote jobs were posted with a qualifier that they weren't available to potential employees living in those states. I just always wonder about inverse effects for this type of thing.

There were or are remote job listings that excluded people living in Colorado. Any any new job listing could choose to exclude residents of NYC/CO/WA/CA.

Pretty good signal of a less desirable employer though.

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