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Imagine reading a document like this with "United States of America v Your Name" at the top. It would be terrifying. These charges are serious and SBF is going to go down for a long time if convicted.

There's also a forfeiture section in the federal indictment that demands forfeiture of all any and all property that is traceable to the commission of the offences.

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On a lighter note, here's United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximate... (the shark fins won)

in rem cases have the best captions

More of them here (scroll to US Examples): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_rem_jurisdiction#United_S...

That's strangely... not "lighter".

Those shark fins represented about 30 000 sharks killed (!) illegally (!!!).

They even amended the law to block such future abuses.

> Imagine reading a document like this with "United States of America v Your Name" at the top.

I once contested a traffic violation and the court paperwork stated “People of California vs <my_name>”. People of California have lost.

The forfeiture in rem ones are my favorite, for instance “United States v. Article Consisting of 50,000 Cardboard Boxes More or Less, Each Containing One Pair of Clacker Balls” [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Article_Con...

It is indeed terrifying. I have one, it was not fun.

Will his political donors have to give back the donations?

He is the donor. And, no, recipients of legal donations don’t have to give them back because they came from a bad person. (The illegal donations he seems to have admitted to might have to be given up, but that’s a separate legal issue.)

Not a lawyer but it does sound like any of the donations could be considered "not legal" would be "clawbacked".

https://www.google.com/search?q=sbf+political+donations+claw...

Well, yes, bankruptcy clawbacks are another issue on top of both the criminal forfeiture discussed upthread and the campaign finance issue I raised in response.

"The illegal donations he seems to have admitted to..."

Source?

He’s done a lot of ill advised Spaces, I’m sure it’s in one of those.

Here’s discussion of the complaint based on his admission:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/08/ftx-ceo-sam-bankman-fried-hi...

Count eight of the indictment also seems related, but its not a “speaking” indictment, so its not super clear.

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