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Have you tried carmax? They don't allow sales people out on the lot. All the cars are unlocked, so you can get inside, and you can get all the info about the car from their app. I bought my last 2 cars from carmax, and was a totally painless experience.

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You pay a non insignificant amount more for this experience. Not that it isn't worth it to some people, you don't get a horrible price you're just guaranteed not a low price. True about the entire haggle free market though.

Also a fan of Carmax.

I likely don’t have the skills / patience necessary to get a better deal from a dealership anyway so just buying a car in my price range without the games works pretty well.

I pay not to have to deal with bullshit in a lot of areas of my life. Buying a car is the definition of “dealing with bullshit”. We have bought three of our last four cars from there and it always felt like a good experience.

We bought our son a 2010 Jeep Liberty from there in 2020. It constantly had little problems that they would fix without a hassle for the first few months.

Out of the blue, they called me and offered to reimburse me for one months payment on top of offering reimbursement on a car rental - they didn’t have to do either.

We ended up turning down the car rental since I was working remotely by then and I just let him use my car.

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