What's wrong with social science and how to fix it (2020)
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"It’s analogous to money laundering. Here’s how it works: First, various academics have strong moral impulses about something. For example, they perceive negative attitudes about obesity in society, and they want to stop people from making the obese feel bad about their condition. In other words, they convince themselves that the clinical concept of obesity (a medical term) is merely a story we tell ourselves about fat (a descriptive term); it’s not true or false—in this particular case, it’s a story that exists within a social power dynamic that unjustly ascribes authority to medical knowledge.
Second, academics who share these sentiments start a peer-reviewed periodical such as Fat Studies—an actual academic journal. They organize Fat Studies like every other academic journal, with a board of directors, a codified submission process, special editions with guest editors, a pool of credentialed “experts” to vet submissions, and so on. The journal’s founders, allies and collaborators then publish articles in Fat Studies and “grow” their journal. Soon, other academics with similar beliefs submit papers, which are accepted or rejected. Ideas and moral impulses go in, knowledge comes out. Voilà!
Eventually, after activist scholars petition university libraries to carry the journal, making it financially viable for a large publisher like Taylor & Francis, Fat Studies becomes established. Before long, there’s an extensive canon of academic work—ideas, prejudice, opinion and moral impulses—that has been laundered into “knowledge.” (source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/idea-laundering-in-academia-115...)
I was one of the extreme "trust the science" people, until I joined a startup that worked with academia. The amount of pettiness, vindictiveness, cutthroat power games I have seen surpassed even the most hardcore of startups.
There is no cure.
To quote from Mike Alder's Newton's Flaming Laser Sword
> It must also be said that, although one might much admire a genuine Newtonian philosopher if such could found, it would be unwise to invite one to a dinner party. Unwilling to discuss anything unless he understood it to a depth that most people never attain on anything, he would be a notably poor conversationalist. We can safely say that he would have no opinions on religion or politics, and his views on sex would tend either to the very theoretical or to the decidedly empirical, thus more or less ruling out discussion on anything of general interest. Not even Newton was a complete Newtonian, and it may be doubted if life generally offers the luxury of not having an opinion on anything that cannot be reduced to predicate calculus plus certified observation statements. While the Newtonian insistence on ensuring that any statement is testable by observation (or has logical consequences which are so testable) undoubtedly cuts out the crap, it also seems to cut out almost everything else as well.
You wall off the non-falsifiable stuff in a box labeled "not science" and focus on the stuff that is falsifiable.
That is not necessarily a bad thing.
It's something that human consciousness seemingly has to do.
Science doesn't care about which ones you pick. You can be doing science with any set of initial non-falsifiable assumptions that humans are capable of holding.
What's so weird about this is, you can look at some of the higher-impact journals they submitted to and see ridiculous-seeming papers. I don't know if they are ridiculous, any more than I know how to read a high-end economics paper, but they sure seem that way. Like, their original premise that journals will accept silly-seeming papers seems obvious.
But then they had to go lie about it? How weak is that?
Ironic, even.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender,_Place_%26_Culture "leading international journal in feminist geography"
That's the one that published the study claiming that dog parks in Oregon engage in rape culture that won an award from the journal. Inasmuch as the leading journal of the field is a coin-op journal that awarded a hoax paper, I think that is going to reflect poorly on the field.
Last time we had a thread about this, after I rattled off my own experience doing journal review (ACM and Usenix), someone else in a different STEM field jumped in to say that in their entire academic career they'd never even heard of someone requesting and verifying the raw data of an article they were reviewing for a journal. That's not what journal review is. Journal reviewers spend less than an hour, typically, with each submission.
Again: the only thing these people have more contempt for than the woke academics are the rubes they're selling this story to. It's comprehensively premised on their audience being ignorant of how science works:
* That there are low- and high- status journals in every field
* That there are pay-for-play journals of last resort in most fields
* That journal review and reproduction are radically different enterprises (reproductions are research projects in their own right!)
* That "review-and-resubmit" is not in fact an indication that a journal is primed to publish your paper, but rather a nice way of saying "no" (several of the papers they crowed about were exclusively review-and-resubmit)
* That 1,000 hours of field work is approximately 2/3rds of a full time job for a research assistant or grad student
* That getting published in a journal doesn't establish your ideas in the scientific firmament, but rather puts them on the stage to be engaged with and debated by other scientists (this note from Stefan Savage)
We could probably go on and on. It's a pretty sickening stunt, and the people involved should be embarrassed.
Sure, but this is supposedly the #1 journal in feminist geography, at least if Wikipedia can be trusted. Seems bad for that field's leading journal to be coin-operated.
Honestly, the fact that peer review does so little is part of the problem. I do think that the journals should be responsible for minor details like whether the people doing the study actually exist and can be contacted, and reviewers should catch it if someone reports something about 33% of an n=2 sample.
The fact that there's no real review in journal publishing is itself part of the scandal, though you're right that this is by no means unique here. And I don't share your experience: I've yet to find anyone who has heard of this who isn't aware that the academic publishing model is pretty much broken everywhere.
> Last time we had a thread about this, after I rattled off my own experience doing journal review (ACM and Usenix), someone else in a different STEM field jumped in to say that in their entire academic career they'd never even heard of someone requesting and verifying the raw data of an article they were reviewing for a journal
I've yet to see nonsense of this type published in Cell, Nature, Science, ACM, or Usenix, though I won't claim it impossible.
Are you aware of hoax papers in anything close to a leading journal in other fields?
It's telling that you rattled off Cell, Nature, Science, ACM, and Usenix: top-tier journals. Yes: top-tier journals do better than low-impact journals-of-last-resort at being selective! That's why they're top journals!
I just looked: Gender, Place, and Culture is currently the 21st-ranked gender studies journal. From what I can tell, it is the only journal dedicated to feminist geography. Also: we have now officially reached the point in this discussion where I took time to go figure out what feminist geography was, and where feminist geographers publish (not in G.P.C.! there are higher-ranked cultural geography journals, just not feminist-specific ones).
Fear was made into a virtue. Really think about that.
The fear wasn’t rational for an extreme majority of people, but it was required - and that’s true for different reasons depending who you ask.
So, of course it was an immediate appeal to authority. You were a good person to be afraid, what an easy excuse that you didn’t need to question or understand anything that because “The Science” had spoken.
So I agree with you, but I think the reason it all happened was something other than a normal appeal to authority.
https://newdiscourses.com/2022/10/strange-death-university-p...
He says that the decline of universities was all started by Herbert Marcuse in the 60s. James reads all of Marcuse's old books and deconstructs them and shows how all the crazy stuff going on today in universities and soft sciences makes perfect sense from the perspective of these leftist theoreticians and their goals. Their goals are not to improve scientific understanding, but to turn absolutely everything in higher education into a political weapon to transform society.
To me this might be like seeing the phrase 'red letter day' and implying a link to Communism.
Any clarity possible?
James takes apart all their old works and cross-references to earlier works and explains how all their stuff ties together. The guy is an academic mathematician so he's precise and his reasoning is refreshingly clear. He even jokes about how most leftists today haven't even read any leftists to even know where their ideas even came from. In these old works they describe how the dumbed down activist techniques work and how to teach them, but people are ignorant of all this stuff or gaslight that it doesn't exist as if it's some organic will of the people rising up all by itself.
I remember the Christian anti-Harry-Potter craze when I was a kid. Preachers would have hour-long television programs about how this, this, and this were in those books. But none of it was. I knew. I had read them.
I have never trusted what others wanted to convinced me a book was 'about' since then.
Education (so far as I see it) should leave one, as best is possible, with an understanding of a body of work. To agree or disagree with that body of work is a separate affair. What those preachers and what people like James Lindsay want, so far as I am concerned, is a so-called understanding that leads to an end other than understanding in and of itself. Quite simply, if someone were to read Lindsey's work and come away thinking that X, Y, or Z in fact had a point, I doubt he would be happy with that outcome.
However, the academic leftist stuff is not fiction. It's totally completely serious endeavor, and that's why it's important to take it seriously and criticize its goals because they intend to foment a revolution and they are deadly serious.
And as for revolution, context is king. To the Southern slave holders, emancipationists were radicals intent on overthrowing the very foundations of civilization itself. The birth myth of the United States is revolution (though I admit we may have been better off eventually going the route that Canada took).
Of course it's serious stuff, people who try to figure out the world generally do take themselves seriously. A bunch of people sit around and try to figure out what the structures that we create are, how they actually operate, and if that is helpful or harmful to the human beings within those structures, serious stuff indeed. Their conclusions may be right or wrong or a mixture of both. Criticism, however, does not properly take the form of 'this idea is produced by an academic leftist, therefore it is bad and wrong'. Where's the marketplace of ideas in that?
Self-avowed conservative intellectuals have been wrong in the past as well. They have no less wanted to produce 'revolutions'. They have no less produced disastrous and failed revolutions.
And if we want to say that things shouldn't change from what they are now, at all, then that might be the most radical proposition of all, because it has never before happened in history, though many have tried it because they too thought their place in history perfect.
FWIW Das Kapital is one of the most cited books in all of economics (and probably all of academia), so I can only assume it is also one of the most read of all academic works. There are also leftist authors such as Howard Zinn with People’s History of the United States and Stephen Jay Gould with Mismeasure of Man. Both best-sellers and the former probably the best selling history book of all time. Even in field of feminism bell hooks has a couple of best sellers that are widely read by the general public.
Seems to me that left-wing academics appeal plenty to the general public and their works get read and understood in record numbers.
I also, however, find these sorts of discussions completely disingenuous, however, in that it is conveniently left unmentioned how many millions might or might not be calculated to have died because of capitalism, cultures that have been destroyed, etc.
No one is actually willing to lay everything on the table for examination.
Whereas deaths due to Marxist ideology or socialist top-down policies are actually undeniably due to them, and they seem to happen pretty much everywhere it's tried.
Apparently, Lindsay suffered a serious head injury within the last few years (it came up in a Rogan interview). It would explain a lot. We're talking about someone who managed to get himself into a Twitter fight with the Auschwitz Memorial.
Your claim here is a grave insult to conservatism, which is an intellectually serious movement with plenty of serious thinkers. Thomas Sowell is a serious conservative. Arthur Brooks is a serious conservative. Patrick Deneen (gah). You can rattle off dozens more. Nobody is ever going to put Rufo and Lindsay in that lineup.
"I'm not kidding. The entire program is based on Hegelian alchemy. They actually think they're wizards. In this case, twerking, based on "black girl" identity, breaks open the rules of decorum and expectation to free the Divine shard of liberated nature from the confine of society."
If you read famous new left literature, its totally in outer space and he just says here's what it says. Then you say he's crazy for saying leftist are serious about what they wrote in their books.
That's the irony of your comment. All the stuff that you say is crazy is stuff he reads and repeats straight out of new left books. He sounds crazy because his method is to instead of just repeat traditional conservative principals in different ways like the conservatives you mention he actually engages with the lunatic left and tells people what they say and what they say is crazy so he sounds crazy just for repeating it and then critiquing it.
"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world" - Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum.
So it is at least partially true
Its absolutely not. You can go to the WEFs website and read the great reset white paper. The main thrust is "stakeholder" capitalism. Which at first sounds good, then by the time you get to the end you realize what they are talking about is essentially making all existing large corporations into monopolies, seizing assets from the general populace by means of economic manipulation, and then once power is consolidated within these corporations they will turn around and rent you everything you need and the corporations will determine how goods are distributed amongst the populace. Its really fucking dark.
They actually produced commercials featuring the line "you will own nothing and you will be happy"
Sound fringe? Like it coyld never happen? Well do you happen to work for a fortune 500 company? Your CEO probably went to Davos last year to get shmoozed by the WEF. Its an enormously popular event with buy in from so of the largest companies in key industries like banking, health care, tech, etc.
Its seriously concerning but people are being gaslit into thinking its some sort of nonsense conspiracy.
Here's a fun fact: companies that attend WEF events or participate in the WEF on average underperform the S&P 500 by double digits percentages.
Do you have any recommendations for good news sources or blogs that can act as a counterbalance to the more mainstream media houses like NYT or WaPo ? The issue I face is that it's very difficult to find good quality conservative content. Even something like National Review is only marginally palatable, and only when it is inward looking (e.g., as was the case with recent midterms).
Maybe less political is just the fact that social science can't be hard science, because it isn't existentially against making claims that can be neither proven nor disproven. That's not its fault, since a lot of fields in social science have value to society (psychology, economics, sociology, etc.). But it's overstepping its bounds, I think is your point.
What I don't like is how we're trying to establish some sort of priesthood, where people with (certain) degrees feel righteous in areas that probably they're being a little over-confident. I've had many conversations with people from this background where, they take what I've said and do not address the claim or rebuttal as a logician would, but instead, "Oh, you're wrong because you're misinformed, you didn't read this paper, you are such-and-such and such groups don't understand this fact I am stating, [or some other claim that isn't a rebuttal]." Without really tackling my point or defending their position. If only they could be that self-aware to state it like that...
Trigger warnings, implicit bias tests, cultural appropriation, lived experience, micro aggressions and a few others come to mind.
All of those are now part of the public discourse, to the point South Park dedicated a season to it with PC Principal. I don't know whether they've been debunked and fallen out of favor in academia, but they sure are commonly used words today.
Adding a thin veneer of academic legitimacy to a concept that's divorced from reality, but politically expedient.
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No it isn’t. It is asking a critical question on prejudice and other biases that exist among the medical profession and can affect their work. In this case a social scientist looks at population data and asks a question is obesity dangerous because of the lifestyle of the obese person, or is there some societal bias that prevails inside the medical profession which increases the chance of fat people being mis-diegnosed, i.e. a patient really has some underlying illness that can be treated, but a doctor will not see it because of their bias and rather prescribe a lifestyle change to the patient.
This is not an idea laundering but an important task of social scientists.
> I was one of the extreme "trust the science" people, until I joined a startup that worked with academia. The amount of pettiness, vindictiveness, cutthroat power games I have seen surpassed even the most hardcore of startups.
You need to apply this to medical scientists as well as social scientists, because it is equally applicable. In fact is a job of social scientists describe this dynamic and point out where it can be dangerous.
EDIT: Your source is actually one of the anti-woke camp who resigned from Portland State because apparently universities are a “Social Justice factory”. I’m not surprised that he has a problem with people taking a critical look on societal effects of diversity of body types. You should take what he says with a pinch of salt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Boghossian
Or you have those who won't even see a doctor about potentially serious medical conditions because they assume the doctor will put it down to excess weight and not bother diagnosing them properly. It's easy to be skeptical that's such a big issue if you don't struggle with your weight, but from what I've heard 2nd hand it likely at least partly explains why hospitalisation for particular conditions is more likely among overweight people.
The slight difference between what you describe and the comic is that "idea laundering" is a deliberate and coordinated effort, while "citogenesis" is driven by carelessness.
can you elaborate on this? Is this across every department or is it in specific areas? A lot of people I know say this kind of stuff but I have not really experienced it, at least, not beyond a normal amount of pettiness and vindictiveness.
I don't disbelieve you. I am just curious about this problem.
1. Publication venues aren’t created equal. People outside of academia don’t understand that anyone can and will start a journal/conference. If I want to launch the Proceedings of the of Confabulatory Results in Computer Science Conference, all I need is a cheap hosting account and I’m ready to go. In countries like the US this is explicitly protected speech, and the big for-profit sites run by Elsevier et al. will often go ahead and add my publications to their database as long as I make enough of an effort to make things look legitimate.
In any given field there are probably a handful of “top” venues that everyone in the field knows, and a vast long tail ranging from mid-tier to absolute fantasist for-profit crap. If you focus on the known conferences you might see bad results, but if you focus on the long tail you’re doing the equivalent of searching the 50th+ page of Google results for some term: that is, you’re deliberately selecting for SEO crap. And given the relatively high cost of peer-reviewing the good vs not peer-reviewing the bad, unfiltered searches will always be dominated by crap (surely this is a named “law”?) Within TFA I cannot tell if the author is filtering properly for decent venues (as any self-respecting expert would do) or if they’re just complaining about spam. Some mention is made of a DARPA project, so I’m hopeful it’s not too bad. However even small filtering errors will instantly make your results meaningless.
2. Citations aren’t intended as a goddamn endorsement (or metric). In science we cite papers liberally. We do not do this because we want people to get a cookie. We don’t do it because we’re endorsing every result. We do it because we’ve learned (or been told) about a possibly relevant result and we want the reader to know about it too. When it comes to citations, more is usually better. Just as it is much better to let many innocent people go free rather than imprison one guilty one, it is vastly better to cite a hundred mediocre or incorrect papers than to miss one important citation. Readers should not see a citation and infer correctness or importance unless the author specifically states this in the text at which point, sure, that’s an error. But most citation-counting metrics don’t actually read the citing papers, they just do text matching. Since most bulk citations are just reading lists, this also filters for citations that don’t mean much about the quality of a work.
The idea of using citation counts as a metric for research quality is a bad one that administrators (and the type of researchers who solve administrative problems) came up with. It is one of those “worst ideas except for any other” solutions: probably better than throwing darts at a board and certainly more scalable than reading every paper for quality. But the idea is artificial at best, and complaints like “why are people citing incorrect results” fundamentally ask citations to be something they're not.
Overall there are many legitimate complaints about academia and replicability to be had out there. But salting them with potential nonsense does nobody any favors, and just makes the process of fixing these issues much less likely to succeed.
2. Yes, but this hardly seems like a defense of citing something false (without comment), or something that has literally been retracted years ago, which is a large part of his complaint.
He is not suggesting the use of citation count as a metric for quality. I have no idea how you could have possibly gotten that from reading this article. A bullet point in his "what to do" section is literally "ignore citation counts".
TFA is extremely clear that the presence of citations (in the aggregate, as a count) on “weak” papers is something the author considers a problem and a perhaps a moral failure on the part of citing authors. The author also believes that citations should be “allocated” to true claims.
* “Yes, you're reading that right: studies that replicate are cited at the same rate as studies that do not. Publishing your own weak papers is one thing, but citing other people's weak papers?” Here citations are clearly treated as a bulk metric, and “weak” is a quality metric.
* “ As in all affairs of man, it once again comes down to Hanlon's Razor. Either: Malice: [the citing authors] know which results are likely false but cite them anyway. or, Stupidity: they can't tell which papers will replicate even though it's quite easy.” Aside from being gross and insulting — here the author claims that the decision to cite a result can have only two explanations, malice and stupidity. Not, for example, the much more straightforward explanation that I mention above (and that the author even admits is likely.)
* “ Whatever the explanation might be, the fact is that the academic system does not allocate citations to true claims.” The use of “allocate citations” clearly recognizes that citation counts are treated as a metric, and indicate that that the author wishes this allocation to be done differently.
* “This is bad not only for the direct effect of basing further research on false results, but also because it distorts the incentives scientists face. If nobody cited weak studies, we wouldn't have so many of them.” Here the author makes it clear that they see citation count (correctly) as a metric that encourages researchers, and believes the optimal solution is to remove all (but perhaps explicitly negative?) citations to those papers.
> A bullet point in his "what to do" section is literally "ignore citation counts".
Yes, after extensively complaining about the fact that citations aren’t used by authors in a manner that reflects the way they’re used as a metric, then complaining further about the fact that authors do not use them this way and repeatedly urging them to change the way citations are used — the author then admits that their use of a metric is problematic and should be ended.
We agree! The only problem here was that the author took a detour to a totally absurd place to get there.
As I see it, there are two independent properties that the author is saying ought to be dependent. And I think you (and I) actually think the same. If citations are going to be treated as a metric, then the way they are written (without regard for quality or accuracy) is bad. If citations are not going to be written without regard for quality and accuracy, then they shouldn't be used as a metric. Either one of these models would be fine. What is not fine is the present reality: Citations are written without regard for quality and accuracy, and then still used as a metric ubiquitously! Impact factors, the most common method of ranking journals, are literally measures of citations.
> Yes, after extensively complaining about the fact that citations aren’t used by authors in a manner that reflects the way they’re used as a metric, then complaining further about the fact that authors do not use them this way and repeatedly urging them to change the way citations are used — the author then admits that their use of a metric is problematic and should be ended.
The crux of your point though seems to be that nobody uses them as a metric, and I'm just going to have to fundamentally disagree with that. It's true that authors, when writing papers, appear not to give them the care that a metric would deserve. What is not true is that citations aren't used as prima facie evidence of quality/importance throughout academia.
I didn't say that at all: what I said is right there in my post.
What I did say is that citation counts are a bad and noisy metric, one that is a side-effect of measuring a tool that has a very different purpose, and which researchers can use (usefully) for a variety of reasons that don't require them to validate the technical correctness of all cited works. Nor would it even make sense for citations to be used that way.
The author's criticism in TFA (which he delivers in the strongest and most explicitly moralistic terms) is that based on using this citation count metric, which he selected, the field is broken because bad work gets cited. That's his criticism and his choice of measures to make it. But since it is quite normal for people to cite work that they haven't carefully reviewed for technical correctness, this criticism is essentially bunk.
At a deeper level, the criticism fails to appreciate how people use citations as a measure for academic promotion. In most cases tenure committees care about aggregate statistics like total citations, h-index or i10-index. If a researcher publishes a work that receives hundreds citations for ten years and then fails to replicate, then it basically doesn't matter if the work stops receiving future citations. A retraction might matter. Reports of the failed replication might matter. But nobody is going to lose out on a promotion specifically because some random paper receives 8,000 citations in the first ten years and then zero citations after the failed replication.
This is his point, though. Not only are authors still getting tenure after failed replication, they're still getting citations! Citations that don't even mention the failure to replicate!
The fact that citations are used as a metric to get tenure is the problem. There are two solutions to that problem: Change the culture around citing things, or change the metrics people use. That is the whole point of the post.
And his point is irrelevant. For two reasons that I've already explained multiple times now!
(1) As I've tried to point out (I've written three posts now to explain this, why are we still debating this!), there are plenty of valid reasons why non-replicating works might get cited. To prevent these works from being cited, you would need to fundamentally change citation practices in a manner that would harm researchers' ability to use citations for their intended purpose.
(2) As I also explained above: even if you somehow managed to force all other researchers to alter their citation practices, it almost certainly wouldn't matter for the purposes of promotion decisions anyway. For the purposes of promotion, the influence of each incremental citation drops off exponentially. After a few years of a work receiving citations, later incremental citations have at most a negligible influence on a researcher's record.
Unless replication failures happen extremely quickly, it doesn't really matter whether future researchers do or do not cite the failed work. The early citations will still exist and will vastly dominate later ones in promotion decisions. The only situation where citation-bans would help is one where citing authors could somehow intuit that a work would fail to replicate, prior to seeing an actual failed replication. (TFA claims this is easy. I think TFA is not credible.)
TL;DR: forcing the entire field to change the way they use citations is (1) harmful to researchers, and (2) despite that is unlikely to have any major benefit anyway, since later citations are not heavily weighted when promoting researchers, and replication attempts generally occur later in a work's citation lifetime.
> Whatever the explanation might be, the fact is that the academic system does not allocate citations to true claims. This is bad not only for the direct effect of basing further research on false results, but also because it distorts the incentives scientists face. If nobody cited weak studies, we wouldn't have so many of them. Rewarding impact without regard for the truth inevitably leads to disaster.
You also argue that high quality journals are good at filtering quality. The author presents evidence that this is specious.
You furthermore question whether the author worked in academia, which is answered.
Given your reading comprehension skills, I wonder if you are in the correct job.
Works for GNU Parallel. :)
And of course we all know that making something for profit means it's bad.
This. I may well write the equivalent of:
"So, those clowns of [18] thought they could sneak it past us to only model the near-trivial case which accounts for less than 5% of real-life occurrences (as per the distribution estimated in [5])."
The second citation is barely-endorsing, and the first citation is an anti-endorsement. Or I could write:
"A bunch of useless attempts have recently been published to achieve what I'm actually going to get right. [4, 7, 8]."
Now, I wouldn't use this language, I'd be more polite and much more circumspect, but still, those are legit and not-entirely-uncommon citations.
Why is that a "rather"? I'm guessing you mixed up "innocent" and "guilty" there, but if so, I'm not sure I could confidently agree with a claim that general (certainly not if the "many guilty" were serial ķillers that went on to commit many more homicides, vs the "one innocent" being given a community service sentence for a minor misdemeanor they didn't actually commit).
I'm a physical scientist in industry, so I don't publish, or use p-values. But if the familiar "square root of n" rule holds, than a 10x improvement in any kind of "noise" measure requires a 100x increase in sample size. This is probably impossible for many kinds of experiments. Even in my work, desiring such an improvement usually requires me to scrap an experiment and come up with a better one, rather than slogging away to collect more data.
Worse, we may suffer from the fact that for some kinds of studies, sample size is limited by the number of potential subjects per researcher. You can only ask undergraduates to do so much. More researchers in the field means weaker statistics.
A possible minor improvement is to eliminate the requirement of publishing a masters thesis project. My friends who were psych grad students all had to do a master's en route to the PhD, and it had to be published to fulfill their requirement. This might have seemed like a quality check, but instead created an incentive to load the literature with low quality research. And many of the students were not looking forward to research careers anyway. Their term for finishing the degree was "published and outa here."
Even if all of the published papers were peer reviewed and replicated, there's a lot of science that never sees the light of day.
Even non-results are important - if not glamourous, and (even worse) publishing is disincentivised if the results go against what the funders wanted or expected.
Do not trust the science. Verify the science.
There needs to be proper scrutiny to ensure minimal quality standards are at least followed, else the whole thing is bunk. A study that can not be replicated by anyone is not research, it's monkeys hitting keys without understanding what they're doing. Sadly monkeys with PhDs in some cases but that doesn't change anything.
The distinguishing feature of what "real science" is in the eye of the believer seems to be someone holding an academic title, i.e. an argument from authority, not verifiable standards that exclude randomness. There is nothing scientific about belief.
But when you have a system, you always have people gaming it. People who believe that it's ok to bend the rules a bit. People who believe it's ok to break them, as long as you don't get caught. If you don't get caught, people who believe in the rules are inclined to accept your results, as you followed the rules.
By changing the rules, you deal with specific symptoms, but the underlying problem remains. The people gaming the system always win in the end.
And sometimes the rules are simply insufficient.
When science works, it works because people go beyond the rules. It works because people are skeptical of their own ideas and willing to show their best efforts to test them. You can't cultivate attitudes like that with rules and regulations.
My impression is that in social science, this happens when the results are "wrong". Maybe compounding the replication crisis if only the "right" results get published but "right" was actually wrong.
A good example of a field with the same problems is epidemiology. I wrote a brief article with many examples a couple of years ago [1]. Unfalsifiable claims, objectively false claims, non-replicable work, citations that were invalid in various ways (e.g. citing a paper in support of a claim which didn't actually support the claim), and most surprisingly, a lot of circular logic. This field seems to routinely lose track of what comes from assumptions vs simulations vs reality. Papers would make claims that sounded like factual statements about observed data, but when the citation was checked the number would turn out to be a simulation output or even an arbitrary assumption used as simulation input. Validation had gone AWOL long ago with the substitutes being unscientific, e.g. claiming a model was validated because it roughly matched the output of other models.
You could argue that epidemiology is actually a social science rather than a hard science. Maybe the distinction isn't interesting though.
100 comments at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24447724
I think it's a lot about the phrasing.
Not quite the same as experimental replication, but along the same lines I'd say.
I wonder if you'd be better off having a two-phase grant mechanism. One smaller payment for the research, and a second larger payment if it is replicable. Actually incentivize the "market" to produce good work. As it is, this incentive doesn't actually exist.
Best way to clean house on an untrustworthy institution that's been politicized. Do science for the science, not to fit some shit narrative.
The academic influence of social science papers is uncorrelated with their scientific quality.
e.g. https://paperswithcode.com/ and the recent phenomenon of people hosting their system demonstrations on huggingface.
Especially as this comes from "a part of DARPA's SCORE program, whose goal is to evaluate the reliability of social science research"
On the other hand, removing the later part as the previous submission did makes the title sound overly presumptuous, imo.
Yeah. I couldn't fit the whole thing into the hard 80-character limit so I decided to drop the word "social" because I thought the subtitle was important to keep. I guess it's moot now that the title has been edited, I assume by a mod.
Everyone else in academia is working towards this end result or drops out somewhere along the path and works in industry. The exception being those specialist degrees that are quasi-academic such as law and medicine, but which have more applied (and therefore measurable) results.
And yet, we don't hold these people to the standards they set for themselves as a cohort? I wouldn't expect every paper to be replicable, or every researcher to always be right. But I see things like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive and wonder how many billions of dollar were put into this thing. It's essentially a state backed way of defrauding the public out of tax dollars to pay people with doctorates that made friends with other people with doctorates. What if the US spent the money that was used on the EmDrive on housing or social services for instance? Or building libraries or bridges?
All it would take would be for a few academic journals to demand that the statistical replication of papers be required, but it would mean that the editors would have to be guided by principles other than maximizing revenue.
How would you implement changes?
The lecturer just released an exam which is utterly unreadable. He is not a native english speaker. But there are several grammatical errors. The progression is bad, etc. He introduces non-existing terms (Like innovation application) and is incoherent.
Obviously the teacher did his best. But i really think it begs a question to whether that is good enough.
People should not be doing things they are not competent at.
It's pretty easy: you add requirements to accepting federal grant money.