Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?
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That's reporting. The likely interpretation of that piece of reporting is crystal clear to the intended readership. (I.e., the money is probably gone.)
[For people who really want to nerd out: If you read all available public filings, the stories in the financial press are much easier to understand accurately. However this one is not subtle.]
Pretty obvious the "why isn't he in jail yet" screaming is coming from the same place as "why aren't I rich yet," on which this entire empire was built. This stuff takes time. He's very obviously going to prison.
For context: Enron, whose operations and collapse caused way more negative impact on the public, fell over in 2001. It wasn't until 2004 that Skilling (CEO/COO/general bad actor) went into FBI custody. It wasn't until 2006 that he was convicted.
Yeah, SBF is going out on a media tour and admitting to all his crimes, so hey maybe they should arrest him now - but why? He's clearly too dumb/narcissistic to run. Take him to court based on media appearances and he may claim he was hopped up on a boatload of amphetamines to the point of actual delusion. Then oops, guess we didn't gather all the hard evidence needed to convict so we lose our shot! Jeez, people.
They either have something to get him for or not. And he might have connections or not.
They wont have people that did crime running around just in case they reveal something more...
I do. Do you consider what I wrote amounting to the above?
>especially if that person is 1) actively producing more evidence of the crime by the minute, 2) not apparently a flight risk, and 3) not actively further harming the public?
A flight risk is 100% a thing. What is the opposite based on, that he is an idiot, or that even if he is he wont get some advice on that end? That's crazy talk.
A) Massive corporate hierarchy in which to untangle responsibility vs SBF and a few others,
B) Complex accounting subtleties vs "lol we gambled customer deposits", and
C) Lawyering up and denying everything vs blabbing to every journalist he can[2]
In practice, the reason he hasn't been arrested is because of jurisdiction and the delays extraditing him, not because it's just so hard to make a case.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33724683
[2] For which I would recommend this explanation why the interviews help to build a case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33873628
I remember Bernie Madoffs case unwinding rather quickly once news broke.
The elephant in the room that needs to be addressed is that SFB was the second largest doner to the democratic party where the DOJ is headed by an democratic appointee. This is a very bad look for justice and the democratic party and the longer they let this drag out the worse it looks for them.
Sure, hopefully they'll track down any crooked campaign contributions that might have been made. Unfortunately many traditionally-crooked campaign contributions are legal now.
I doubt there can be a group more perfectly self-selected for seeing TradFi, media and the government as corrupt than today's crypto community. What they are experiencing is conformation bias, affirming things they always "knew" to be true all along, based on gut feel more than any real knowledge of how long investigations typically take.
That said, I can't find an exact citation, but one article back then noted replacing editors in attempt to be more neutral.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/17/new-york-ti...
Now this is nuanced, ok? Trump has publicly called for elimination of the Constitution. That's not the media, that's him. But anyway, re the NYT, the really important point (for me) is that they allowed the front page to become unreasonable and unreadable.
Maybe it has recovered now. I don't know. I'm afraid to look.
1. pretend to have customers
2. pretend those customers have deposits
3. issue Tether to front those deposits
4. pump up their favorite coins with their newly minted Tethers
My first suspicion would be that FTX was more fraudulent to its investors than people claim.
It pretended to have a lot more customers & deposits than it actually did to pump up FTT, to get real money from investors looking for a real business rather than crypto BS.
Mainstream institutional money is gigantic, and it's mainly refusing to invest in coins. However, it's not afraid to invest in companies selling shovels to the gold rush.
You can get a lot more money by defrauding institutional money than you can by defrauding retail.
Is there hard evidence this isn't what happened?
All I see is that the records were so bad they have no idea who's owed what.
That seems like a really convenient way to cover up you didn't actually have customers in the first place and everything was a fraud.
*https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo224388...
The Panamera papers revealed what everyone in the business knew: they're all exactly the same owners.
So tether/Bitfinex: one and the same.
Now how does FTX relates to tether? Bifinex's top lawyer happens, what a coincidence, to be an ex-colleague of FTX's top lawyer. But wait, it gets better: what does these two used to work together on? A poker server software that had a "god mode" where owners would see customers' cards and defraud them.
So these two lawyers were already working hand in hand on a previous fraud. And now at least one of them is caught, again, in a similar fraud (replace poker with crypto), where the money sent to these guys disappears in a black hole.
But it's just a coincidence right?
OK... What about this one: it's well known that the Bahamas bank at the center of the entire tether thing is Deltec/Delbank (they also have tens if not hundreds of companies).
Guess who SBF bought a bank in the US from? From the owner of Deltec.
So tether and FTX may be related in that they both frauds (at least one is proved to be a fraud now).
Or, if we listen to those who correctly explained SBF and FTX were scam from day one, before SBF was even in the news as the savior of the world, FTX and tether are one and the same fraud.
Tether is ultra shady but they may have counterfeited their way into solvency (buy cheap bitcoins, print fake usdt to pump bitcoins... The guys were already in this game back when Bitcoin was worth $200 or so IIRC). Especially if, by sheer luck, the trading arm of Bitfinex (Bitfinex has a company that is to Bitfinex what Alameda was to FTX) happens to be those on the winning side of the trade where FTX/Alameda lost billions.
For that's the thing: they "lost" billions and we're to believe it's retail who won big vs the billions FTX lost?
But I'd say it's unlikely anything substantial will be publicly disclosed. I only except lies and more lies from the very same media that were presenting SBF as an altruistic genius.
In other words, they don't have the money. They just have an IOU, but that isn't money.
What I deposited into the bank, that's money. And it's my money, not theirs.
If you're just drawing some kind of distinction between valuable things that aren't money and valuable things that are money then ok. I don't understand the point, but ok.
IOUs are like a lottery. Treasury bonds, OOM call options, they all aren't valuable on their own, there's just a chance I might win. In the case of treasury bonds, that chance is more like 99.99%, in the case of the call options, it might be 20%, but it's a spectrum, and never 100%.
At the end of the day, my landlord isn't going to take a treasury bond for my rent payment, and neither is my supermarket. IOUs are not the same as hard cash.
It might be because I applied with a downpayment of 10K so they just shut up and gave me a super low interest rate.
I didn't actually need the loan, I just saw interest rate increases coming and figured I could save a few bucks by taking the loan and putting the balance of the value of the car in a CD or bond at higher interest a few months later, which I did.
Incidentally, this was something they got in trouble for just a few months ago because they made it seem like they were covered by FDIC (like banks are required to be), but were not.
Tether has probably made a ton of money by lending newly minted tether at 1-6% annual interest to people pessimistic enough to short it unsuccessfully this whole time, ironically.
Bankman-Fried deflected the FT’s questions about the excessive borrowing and soured investments that ultimately sank Alameda, blowing a hole in FTX’s finances, and would not be drawn on the legal consequences he may face. He said he deliberately avoided getting involved in Alameda’s trading and risk management to avoid conflicts with his position as chief executive of FTX, and neglected to monitor the risk they posed to the exchange.
Yes.
Reading the bankruptcy filings and seeing what the accountants are finding is probably more productive than listening to the self-serving statements of a crook.
The FTX estate will be want to collect all available assets, including outstanding loans to SBF, to distribute to FTX' creditors.
Disbursements from FTX when it was close to insolvency will be scrutinized under the doctrine of fraudulent conveyance which makes it illegal to distribute funds from a company that cannot meet its obligations to its creditors.
This wont be "forgotten" somehow. At this point, there doesn't seem to be any drama or reasons for concern here, and from everything we know (that I know) it looks like this will all be resolved eventually as part of the bankruptcy process.
"The bankruptcy filing states that Paper Bird owned 75% of FTX International.1 However, that does not make it part of the FTX bankruptcy. In fact, Paper Bird filed for its own bankruptcy, the same date at FTX did, with separate counsel: Adam Landis of Landis Roth & Cobb while the lead attorney for FTX is James Bromley of Sullivan & Cromwell."
And really, the whereabouts of those loans should be very high up the list of things people are interested in - if nothing else, 10 digits somewhere safe sure is a nice bucket of grease to facilitate a disappearance to somewhere without extradition.
I'm astonished by the number of fraud cases we've seen involving staggering amounts of money, and we don't have laws that give judges the option to put people away for life after some threshold of money is stolen, with the possibility of a reduced sentence only if enough money is recovered.
We have RICO for organized crime and I feel like this needs to be expanded to business dealings as well.
Poor SFB accidentally associated with the garbage person SBF...
> “You misplaced $8 billion?” I ask.
> “Misaccounted,” Bankman-Fried says, sounding almost proud of his explanation. Sometimes, he says, customers would wire money to Alameda Research instead of sending it directly to FTX. (Some banks were more willing to work with the hedge fund than the exchange, for some reason.) He claims that somehow, FTX’s internal accounting system double-counted this money, essentially crediting it to both the exchange and the fund.
> That still doesn’t explain why the money was gone. “Where did the $8 billion go?” I ask.
> To answer, Bankman-Fried creates a new tab on the spreadsheet and starts typing. He lists Alameda and FTX’s biggest cash flows. One of the biggest expenses is paying a net $2.5 billion to Binance, a rival, to buy out its investment in FTX. He also lists $250 million for real estate, $1.5 billion for expenses, $4 billion for venture capital investments, $1.5 billion for acquisitions and $1 billion labeled “fuckups.” Even accounting for both firms’ profits, and all the venture capital money raised by FTX, it tallies to negative $6.5 billion.
> Bankman-Fried is telling me that the billions of dollars customers wired to Alameda is gone simply because the companies spent way more than they made. He claims he paid so little attention to his expenses that he didn’t realize he was spending more than he was taking in. “I was real lazy about this mental math,” the former physics major says. He creates another column in his spreadsheet and types in much lower numbers to show what he thought he was spending at the time.
Now, by structuring these as "loans" to SBF, for him alone to increase his (already overwhemling) majority control, meant he'd unethically levered up the enterprise into a "heads SBF wins even more, tails everyone else loses everything" precariousness. Losers at risk from such an arrangement would include, and eventually now have included, customers with custodial funds that should never have been at any risk at all - but were so commingled across purposes & entities under SBF's shoddy self-dealing & criminally-negligient management that they were de facto contributors to these unwise sweetheart insider loans.
So at least $2.1B, & perhaps up to ~$3B, of this "loaned" value (in cash & other tokens) may have made its way to Binance, and thus we wouldn't expect it to be in SBF's current pockets. It was still taken inappropriately, though. And, the magnitudes further make SBF's claims of not knowing the details of either Alamedas or FTX's balance sheets not credible. Honest people generally don't send $3B of value through themselves, to elsewhere, without at least some sense of the stocks & flows involved.
However, perhaps after those loans, the large venture investments into FTX are reported to have sent around $300M cash (of the raised funds) to SBF. He's also described that as repaying him for acts like buying out Binance with personal funds, almost as if he hadn't been loaned billions from FTX to do that. That money looks instead more like a VC's willingness, in a suitably hot deal, to let the founder take some value out to have more-diversified wealth. I'd expect the debtors to especially chase that cash money, to see where it landed, for possible recovery by SBF's victims.
Another missing question from recent interviews: when SBF does his, "I've got nothing, now" or "maybe $100k" act, ask him: why hasn't he declared bankruptcy?
He borrowed ~$3B from FTX/Alameda-related entities, in order to lever-up further into FTX. If he presumably per the debtors-in-management team still owes his associated-entities $3B+, and has "nothing", he should be in bankruptcy.
SBF is a very smart person with a now-documented history, during his ascent, of blatant misrepresentations about weighty matters & a flexible view of ethics.
When such a person claims "oops, I kept poor records & didn't manage the staff or complicated legal entities I'd chosen & didn't pay close attention", but then slowly & vaguely describes past actions in the most self-exonerating ways possible, the presumption should be that the post-fall accounts are retroactive fabulations. The character 'hapless-Sam' is just as much a self-aggrandizing fiction as the character 'hyperethical-and-hypercompetent-Sam' was.
And even if fully true, "I was a reckless gambler bad with math even when I was selling people on the idea I'd hedged out all the gambles and was brilliant at math" only helps explain, but does not excuse, criminal deception.
It seems the books would say that company A has a valuables loan worth 1B when repaid, company 2 has a very sought after and valuable token with a market cap at 10B and 9B available with the sale of its holding. And company C has a very high order flow, making it a valuable exchange.
All the while I have net zero, but 1B in exposure on my investments, but no worries my companies are easily worth 11B
Ofcause a house of cards like that is easy to see through if someone doesn’t accidentally name the accounts really poorly…
Government investigators are not in a habit of validating every bloggers empty rhetorical questions.
The author is complaining in the comments ZeroHedge copy-pasted their post without permission. ZH should feel bad for spreading babbling gossip and impotent rage more than anything.
“You’re just saying ‘okay, the world is run by idiots,’ and I would say ‘no, the world is run by professional criminals.’ If you think it’s all by incompetence at this point, how come everything is so coordinated between all these guys with these policy agendas if it’s all just ‘by-chance incompetence?’”
— Whitney Webb
I don’t think much would be diff. Very important assassinations like MLK and Malcolm X would still happen. Capitalism being the primary “thing” in all American’s lives would still be a thing. Liberalism would still make the government a tool for private capital/capitalism as it is now.
Whether or not the US government is captured by Organized Crime seems unimportant. The deepest rabbit hole one could find these days in why the world sucks would be investigating capitalism, neoliberalism, and imperialism.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57427971-wilful-blindnes...
There are plenty of good investigations into corruption:
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/135465.Best_Books_About_...
Considering that part of the money went to you-know-who, it’s no surprise that those groups don’t ask any tough questions.
Src: https://fortune.com/crypto/2022/11/29/sam-bankman-fried-poli...
https://peoplesworld.org/article/pipeline-ploy-how-u-s-natur...
This site also only seems to push back against more left-wing news outlets, I didn't see anything saying how Fox News pushing for appeasement isn't a good idea.
Current approved position is that they are "satanists", didn't you hear?