Pornography should be strictly regulated, for the benefit of both the users and the "actors"
> Pornography should be strictly regulated, for the benefit of both the users and the "actors"
Can we at least admit that calling for something to be "strictly regulated" is a stronger, more extreme position than "any critique"?
For example:
https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/55540853/TJP_32_66-70-...
>There have been multiple neurotransmitters that have been implicated in addictions that range from dopamine to serotonin and now a role for glutamate and dynorphin has been elucidated.(37-38) The same has not yet been elucidated in research of pornography addiction. Further studies in this direction are warranted. Evidence regarding neurotransmitter activity in pornography addictions and substance use disorders (39) has tended to be complementary.
Since the article I linked mentions structural MRI findings, I feel the need to point out that this does not establish any causality; furthermore, evidence of heritability of compulsive pornography use could of course suggest the causal arrow goes the other way. See also:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115160/
You will also find studies showing that dopamine agonists increased hypersexual behavior, which is rather the opposite of the suggestion that pornography use is a dopamine releasing activity (usually, the brain wants to suppress the effects of a drug!). Other studies show that naloxone (opioid antagonist) decreases pornography use. Dopamine is a stimulating neurotransmitter, and most people would not report feeling more energetic after engaging in sexual activity.
Should we strictly regulate laughing in social settings, by that same argument?
Replace all instances of laughing with friends with masturbating alone in your room and tell me that’s a good, meaningful life you want to live
Who are these we?
HN is very anti regulation of drugs see the countless posts about micro dosing, LSD, marijuana etc.
This response is exactly what the above post was talking about
The government should fuck off and not get the idea that it has any authority over the sexuality of consenting adults.
I feel like this is in keeping with regulation in the real world. A kid needs an id to buy adult magazines, a person needs to be involved selling that item. With the internet, where are those societal safety's? It doesn't stop all, but it would handle most.
I feel like this regulation is outdated in today's world. We have an opportunity to review existing practices to see if they make sense. With the internet, will children have issues? We don't know so we shouldn't jump the gun.
Plenty of people who have gotten completely out of pornography can tell you directly about the difference in their lives. That doesn't require a study. It's as simple as, I touched the hot stove, I got burned. Perspective provides better answers than numbers. We don't need a controlled study of 1500 randomly sampled people to establish that touching a hot stove is bad. The difficulty is that this "touch" can play out over years or a lifetime and is done principally within your mind and affects your relationships and emotions. You can find various studies [0] to support these general conclusions also.
When you're a regular consumer of porn, you cannot really see its effect on you unless you have a clear perspective of what it is like to not be a regular consumer of porn and indulging in objectifying sex objects in your mind. Teenagers, or worse, children, who have become addicted, haven't had the time or experience to have any other perspective. All they know is the haze of porn sexuality.
It clogs up your love receptors and transmitters like a drug. It's like seeing love through a thick fog, being unable to really comprehend it. Without perspective the individual just assumes they can see everything clearly. That a sexual relationship can be cheaply bought at a glance and satisfied in a moment and then tossed in the trash when inconvenient without even needing to talk to someone. It creates the appetite for low effort relationships, which are often short-lived instead of durable. We should strive for the kind that can go 60 years of happiness for both parties and be more in love than when they started. That's what we're capable of. But with lust addled minds mired in selfish indulgence — we don't get there.
0: https://marripedia.org/effects_of_pornography_on_marriage
> The government should fuck off and not get the idea that it has any authority over the sexuality of consenting adults.
Zealous adherence to oversimple principles like that are the root cause of a lot of harm.
If you're finding that people react poorly towards your criticisms of pornography, you might want to do a little introspection about the bad faith engagement on display in this sentence.
There are plenty of people who identify themselves in ways that would certainly distinguish them from a devout/peculiar religious community... and still have their own critiques of pornography or concerns about access, and will engage thoughtful discussion about how it should be treated.
But if you come at it from a conservative religious position ("it's bad because it violates my purity culture norms but I'm gonna dress it up using terms I don't understand like 'dopaminergic reward system' because I know that bestows a hint of modern legitimacy"), you might get treated like a conservative religionist.
Sure buddy, I don't understand. I'm just a stranger online after all. But what about the literature ?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3402/snp.v3i0.20767
https://fincham.info/papers/2016-j-of-sex-research-delay%20d...
Also, I'm not religious. So everything you assumed seems to be wrong so far. Feel free to give it another go
The child comment states that; actually, the people complaining tend to be the same people. So they're consistent.
Which actually jives with my understanding. People that are fine with Porn are usually fine with other little rushes', in so far as they aren't harmful outside of themselves.
Gambling without the poverty is: fine.
Enjoying food without the health complications: also fine.
imagine if cocaine was as freely available as pornography. Is that the type of world you'd like to live in, to raise your kids in?
and for the record, I think cocaine can be wonderful.
You’re not going to jail them? How about for a fifth offense? A six-hundredth offense?
You can’t propose regulation without enforcement.
Regulating porn is regulating sex. It’s been tried. Heck, look at Indonesia today. It’s adorably naive. It is much less practical than regulating drugs because literally every person on earth who has genitals and a cell phone can be a supplier.
Take a look at https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/infract....
> Or, to change the angle, tell me about your proposed porn regulations and what happens to people who just cheerfully go on filming themselves fucking and ignore the regulations?
I haven't proposed any porn regulations whatsover... You seem to be confusing me with someone else.
Well, that's embarrassing and I apologize.
> Take a look at
Yes, to the extent being cited for an single infraction will stop horny people from filming themselves having sex and sharing the video, that is very relevant.
However, most (all?) jurisdictions treat repeated infractions as misdemeanors. When it comes to the hypothetical of "regulating" porn, there are two possible outcomes: 1) porn producers who ignore infractions and any resulting fine are not prosecuted, and the regulation is meaningless, or 2) punishments for repeatedly ignoring the regulation are severe enough to deter repeat offense.
I just don't see how you get (2) without jail. Therefore, I stand by the assertion that any regulation of porn that is going to be effective is going to have to be prepared to jail people.
Well, it is. Place your order on whatsapp or telegram, and it's delivered to your door by envelope. You should really get with the times.
Overindulgence, dissolution, and complete shift towards hedonism and away from eudaimonia. Those two should be balanced.
Why would anyone under 18 buy pornography?
When I was under 18, more porn magazines were found and salvaged than bought at a newsstand. Quality over quantity.
Porn, especially the industry, is already regulated in many ways.
To me it seems clear that we need some sort of regulation and/or cultural defence mechanisms against this stuff like we have for alcohol and drugs. What exactly it would look like, I don't know. Otherwise we are just going to entertain and eat ourselves to death.
How did you want to die?
...and then you go on to list a bunch of things that share the property that they are enjoyable.
There really are addictive substances; but honestly, sugar isn't one of them. These are behaviours that people become habituated to. It's not fair on real addicts to claim that your serial adultery is the consequence of "sex addiction".
It is besides the age verification part on the viewership's part.