https://catalyst.independent.org/2021/03/24/americans-misinf...
You say "normal people" as if not having co-morbidities is more common. But large swathes of the population are old, obese, have asthma or some other co-morbidity.
Why do you think that is?
Somehow, despite high rates of that specific comorbidity, the data shows Americans are hospitalized at dramatically lower rates than Americans estimate.
The post I replied to said:
> That complexity was pretty ruthlessly exploited here in the US by groups that wanted to downplay the issue [...]
Apparently it was not exploited too ruthlessly if surveys show people were still grossly overestimating COVID-19 severity in the population.
Does this result in better COVID-19 policies being made? Who is responsible for this disconnect between reality and what is perceived? How can we fix it?
Or does it even need fixing? Perhaps we'd save more lives if everyone were convinced half of COVID-19 cases were fatal.
They then and still are trying to push vaccines on cohorts that absolutely do not need them (see numerous EU countries who are not doing this).
On top of that, they managed to convince many US citizens that vaccines prevented transmission as part of their efforts to force vaccines on everyone. Go check some past HN threads for a wild ride!
Bonus points are awarded for obesity being a major risk factor that we’ve done 0 to address post Covid despite the absolutely massive benefits we’d see from it - Id wager far outstripping masking or vaccinating. Externalities for thee but not for me, I guess.
Did they ignore them, or were they just not devaluing the lives of the sick and elderly? If 10,000,000 people are dead that would otherwise be living, standing up and saying "but they were old or fat!" has a kind of asshole sting to it, no?
> They then and still are trying to push vaccines on cohorts that absolutely do not need them (see numerous EU countries who are not doing this).
Vaccines aren't just for the people that get them. They are for the people around them as well. I'm a perfectly healthy 35 year old, but I visit my 90 year old grandfather often, and live in a community with many elderly. If the vaccine makes me less likely to transmit, that's good for everyone, whether or not it matters much to me in isolation.
> On top of that, they managed to convince many US citizens that vaccines prevented transmission as part of their efforts to force vaccines on everyone.
They do tho. Maybe not 100%, but to a degree they certainly do.
> Bonus points are awarded for obesity being a major risk factor that we’ve done 0 to address post Covid despite the absolutely massive benefits we’d see from it - Id wager far outstripping masking or vaccinating. Externalities for thee but not for me, I guess.
Not even sure what you're saying here.
Not devaluing the lives of the elderly is implicitly devaluing the lives of the not elderly. This is a trade off that was given almost no consideration in the greater (US) discussion.
> They do tho. Maybe not 100%, but to a degree they certainly do.
The degree is extremely important here. Without a certain level of transmission prevented this benefit becomes nonexistent. See grandpa enough times and he’ll catch it. That you don’t know the degree but still felt safe seeing him is very concerning and you were likely mislead.
> Not even sure what you're saying here.
Choosing to focus on masks and vaccines while ignoring obesity removes are principled arguments for the former. The latter has benefits both against future pandemics of all kinds as well as broad public health benefits. Thus, anyone not raising hell about how fat America is while advocating for forced vaccination and mask wearing is playing politics and not really interested in public health outcomes.
Like you, people claimed forced vaccinations were justified by externalities - but the same logic was not applied to forced weight loss.
It did though. We are going back to normal for the most part, despite the continuing risk to the elderly. Early lockdown was for everyone since very little was known about the disease.
> Choosing to focus on masks and vaccines while ignoring obesity removes are principled arguments for the former.
It's an obvious matter of practicality. Masks are easy and fast and will, statistically, do more good than a country wide weight loss drive. Would it be better long term if the country was fit? Yeah, for far more reasons than COVID. That's not practical though, as evidenced by the governments pre-existing desire and failure to make that happen.
> Like you, people claimed forced vaccinations were justified by externalities - but the same logic was not applied to forced weight loss.
Which is completely consistent with the state of the world pre-covid?