Apple's App Store Has Become an Ad-Plagued Version of Its Former Self
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The desire and the solution are quite simple: Apple wants to increase revenues from services, so provide better quality paid services instead of looking at nooks and crannies to pick up a few (mega) pennies here and there.
Apple may be under the false impression that the competition is far behind and that its loyal user base has nowhere else to go. Sometimes these things turn the other way quite quickly. Considering the regulatory scrutiny and pressure in other areas, Apple would be better off not antagonizing its user base with the "let's put ads everywhere and collect more information from our users" initiative.
I believe Apple is falling into the "arrogance" trap..
When we were kids, we used to be told the "rabbit and turtle race story" and, if you hadn't heard about it, you must have been born directly as a teenager :)
Apple is slowly playing the rabbit role, and yes, it can sleep for as long as it wants then, maybe waking some day to realize what damage the once-believed turtles have already caused to it.
Yes, the "rabbit" role is, by no means, new in tech industry.. Kodak, Blockbuster, Windows (with its epic IE) -to some extents- , were all "rabbits" at some points in the past but not any more. And, guess what? Nokia Mobile was also the big "rabbit" that was taken in no time by.. Apple!
I don't know if there is a proper term to describe this concept, but I will write it in plain English: I always tell myself, friends, and relatives that if any entity, whether it is a single person, a community, a company, or a government, is misbehaving and/or walking in an incorrect path, sooner or later it will pay a high bill in the future that is not apparent at present.
Maps was a cover story. Forstall was fired because he was Tim Cook's only serious rival for power post-Jobs, and also because some other execs (such as Jony Ive) didn't like him. When Steve Jobs died, Forstall lost his only protector in the company.
Spinning up a maps service from scratch to match Google Maps was a monumental task, nearly impossible to do quickly and well. Apple Maps continued to suck for years after Forstall was fired. Not to mention that Siri continues to suck today. Forstall wasn't fired for incompetence. He was a proven executive who was in charge of developing iOS!
In contrast, Hair Force One has overseen a massive downgrade in Apple software design and quality. But he gets along well with the other execs, doesn't rock any boats.
This sounds just like The Death of Stalin story.
Funny, I've always likened Tim Cook to Stalin, with Steve Jobs as Lenin, and Forstall Trotsky.
also, no one is mentioning the behind the scenes participants with far longer engineering creds than Forstall, because it's just pop-culturally easy to simplify the little era into salacious snippets not aligned with reality.
That's in line with what I said.
> Jobs (having interacted with both) just were positivity-obsessed guys averse to that noise
That's not the Steve Jobs I remember. ;-) Anyway, you don't explain why Jobs protected Forstall in the first place. My understanding is that Jobs encouraged some internal arguing and conflict, whereas Cook discourages it.
> no one is mentioning the behind the scenes participants with far longer engineering creds than Forstall
Mention them in what context? I mean, the Lenin/Stalin thing is just a silly metaphor. The serious point is that Forstall, mentioned by the OP, didn't get fired for incompetence, and Maps was just as excuse, a point that you seem to agree with. But if you're aware of people with longer engineering creds than Forstall who did get fired for incompetence, then I'd be interested to hear about it.
I think you’re right that even Jobs himself gave interviews about having useful internal conflict or at least competition.
From Tim Cook’s point of view he’s seeing a line go up. Things aren’t getting worse for him, they’re getting better. He’ll probably be gone by the time the consequences of his management have an impact on Apple’s coffers. Assuming that ever happens, because what’s making Apple a crappy company is that it’s becoming indistinguishable from the alternatives.
> This needs entire departments to be shutdown.
This needs Tim Cook to retire.
The problem is that there's no good replacement, because Cook has cooked the entire company. It's "Tim Apple" now. Next in line is likely someone like Cook clone Jeff Williams.
The stockholders own the company, and all they care about is money. Remember way back when Steve Jobs forced Apple stockholders to choose between him and John Sculley? Well, they chose Sculley. Jobs only returned many years later when Apple was desperate and had to acquire NeXT (their second choice behind Be). Apple would have to be in desperate straits again to choose a non-traditional (i.e., non-MBA) CEO candidate.
If they'd be willing to go somewhere else, then they wouldn't be loyal.
And the "somewhere else" can only be Android, and even for non-loyal users, that's a big step (and vice versa).
In my own personal (and thus limited) experience, I know zero users that have made the switch. The Android/Apple choice seems to stick really hard.
I used to go to the store a few times a week to check for top games and see if something tickles my fancy, but I haven't done it in 5+ years now, it's mostly all junk / IAP sinks.
As for getting new apps, it's almost always through a webpage that takes me directly to the app in the store.
It has categories? Lists? Curated content? Ads? Paid placements?
I had no idea.
iTunes had music and movies and ringtones and shit? I had no idea...
Then suddenly they showed up in iOS 15 ... files which I had made years ago.
So strange.
These days you don’t browse the App Store. You go there knowing exactly what app you want.
I remember when I used to look for apps actively, but it seems like the last time I really did that was when I had an iPhone 4S.
In my area some crappy banking apps made it to the top list for the same reason: often downloaded.
I'm in the same camp as many other commenters on this thread, some years ago (7-10) I used to use the App Store to actually discover apps, nowadays I just open it to search for exactly the app I'm looking for, mentally skip the 1st result as it's always an ad and then look around for what I actually searched for.
Terrible experience, the storefront aspect is completely useless now. Haven't bought any app that I discovered myself, it's usually through recommendations from friends or internet reviews.
Tim Cook is an extremely good bean-counter and logistics guy but definitely shouldn't be at the helm of being the judge for product development anymore. In that sense Jobs was actually pretty unique and had good taste.
I'm not entirely convinced it truly ever did, but it's all just algorithms now. Even if the algorithm is only "sort by download between Jan 1 - NOW".
Apps drop their inflated prices for a huge perceived discount to drive downmoads and get to the top of the list.
Editor's choices are supposed to be curated by some anonymous eponymous editor but the apps are just always already popular apps, so another sort by downloads.
I'd not put it past these companies to say they their 'AI'(hate they all use this term) is curating the lists for us, so technically sort by downloads is their curation.
Google play store is worse- the sales tab is always the same scam games, top paid makes no sense, editor's choice is bullshit.
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It's not fit for purpose.
Ads were in print for newspapers. Then in television, allowing for content and network providers to grow. Tech just became the next delivery medium for ads and a superior one at that once data harvesting and targeted ads were the norm. Tech has become the de facto medium for ads due to the margins and greater potential for returns.
Apple's implementation of IAP was to neutralize as much competition as possible, probably because they would not have been able to compete fairly. This anti-competitive behavior hurt the other ad companies but it also hurt tons of smaller businesses that were able to benefit from the targeted ads. This is probably the government intervention that needs to happen IMHO.
NB, I don't know what the solution is for ads in tech. On one hand, targeted ads mean data harvesting and all the repercussions associated with that (we know now there is no such thing as anonymized data no matter who is collecting the data) while non-targeted ads have little value for all parties involved (wasted ad spend dollars by companies and patrons being shown ads that are not relevant to them), and no ads mean less revenue for services and sites, which mean they eventually go out of business unless they have other means of monetization. What is the optimal solution? (Or just the least bad one if we must?)
Almost all of the apps (I found one exception) that appear above my app have in-app purchases and or ads, and most of them have a lower score than mine.
It's hard not to come to the conclusion that my app is somehow penalized for not generating income for Google.
If we had real competition with stores competing to provide the most value for the users, then I would expect non-profit apps like mine to bubble up rather than drown.
I believe we are getting closer with the recent lawsuits against Google though, which is a good thing.
It's obviously still miles ahead of iOS.
Lots of apps crank up the forced ads/other BS after they’ve nagged you a few times, and they like to that right after a dopamine hit, like beating a boss.
Basically means they will be incentivised to make their app discoverability algorithm worse, to encourage companies to pay them for ads. Kinda like Google did with ads coming above the search results forcing companies to buy ads to be displayed at the top even when you search for the company directly.
I'm not sure how I'd rate the quality of the amazon app store but they did have cool features that let you trial an app in your browser
in all honestly with these two stores owning the entire us market there's never going to be much iteration or innovation.. even something simple like a ios version of itch.io would be fantastic
I use Firefox Focus, and it seems it did its job well.
I set myself and family (and anybody who wants) up with a degoogled phone plus F droid. Now that's a clean experience.
AppStore never had discovery this good, but relied on being heavily curated for quality instead.
I do feel play store is in a much worse state still. The curating is barely there and the algorithms had user interests (our at least my interests) optimised out of them.
The fact that it used to work so well is insulting in a way. It's like when android took out the process manager.
Edit: formatting
It literally has trouble finding exact string matches, and is just behind help when you want to search for a category of apps.
If you search for the title word for word, you will never find it. If you search for the description word for word you will never find it. It is so deeply buried under a mountain of garbage that I sometimes wonder what other gems the play store keeps from seeing the light of day.
No, 30% is massively excessive. A very small fraction of this is all that is needed to maintain the store.
Ah but I *like* the 30% cut I'm forced to give for apps on the store like Spotify or Netflix. Because for my sacrifice I am allowed to live in the ivory tower above the plague rats of Android!
I don't trust Apple's ecosystem one bit, especially after the whole "we're gonna constantly scan your phone (actually our phone since we own it but you're paying for it) for child porn pics and we're gonna limit functionality because it upsets the CCP". This is boiling the frog. Maybe next year they're gonna scan for Pepe the Frog memes on my phone to report me as a right wing extremist to my government.
I'd rather have average hardware but have freedom and privacy, than live in big-corp's authoritarian prison for the sake of comfort.
Unless as a user I am actively knowledgeable about the choices available to me Apple wins by holding a monopoly of ability to disseminate information
Alternate application stores, that fulfill a basic number of legal and commercial conditions, should always be a choice for any owned hardware, perhaps at the cost of the device warranty.
I understand why manufacturers wouldn't want to deal with bricked devices, which are technically still perfectly functional yet require some exotic firmware download over JTAG to reboot.