U.S. government to backstop mortgages above $1M
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This should really just be limited to 1 (or maybe 2) houses per owner at one time.
That would create a subsidy for people to own their house (middle class rent control), allow people to move from one to another, and stop wasting tax money on subsidizing investors.
The government should not be subsidizing anyone going for a second slice of cake, when there are lots of people who haven’t had a first slice.
Mortgage subsidies don't meaningfully affect homelessness. Someone putting down a deposit with a developer for a fifth property to rent actually expands housing supply. That tweaks only rent-versus-own ratios.
What does skew home supply is vacancy. Whether due to offshore holders treating New York apartment as poker chips, seasonal vacationers, delusional landlords asking above market, or NIMBYs blocking development, vacancy decreases housing supply and thus increases housing costs for renters and owners alike.
No, it’s like saying someone will die from lack of corn. When they can substitute with grain. Shelter is shelter, rented or owned.
This has nothing to with mortgage subsidies and it’s disingenuous to use that as an argument against them.
Second homes are top 5% stuff [1].
If you have a taste for the interior, there are gorgeous places where five figures buys a home, or less than $10k down and $1k/month. That's something more that just the rich can afford, particularly if the first home is in a similarly-affordable place.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/228894/people-living-in-...
.....such as?
Prices have gone up everywhere.
Tawas City, MI is hours from the nearest medium-sized town. There are no jobs, no social activities besides bars, very few restaurants, and no five figure homes for sale ($150K will get you 1450 square feet).
Mesick, MI. Literally nothing but forest, and 1.2 empty acres is $125K.
Clarion, IA. There is nothing beautiful about anywhere in Iowa. You can, however, get a nearly-falling down 1100 square foot house for $85K (everything else on the market, and there's a bunch, is 6 figures).
Where are these gorgeous places where rich people haven't already bought all the homes?
Five figures for a house? Riiight. In 1980, sure. Or if you like buying a house of cardboard.
Naive question, but wouldn’t increased demand raise the price, not lower it? Why’s Florida different?
I feel attacked. You haven't been to Dubuque.
Now, I think the market will normalize a bit but still. There is no such thing as a starter house unless you're willing to give up a good education for your kids, live in bumfuck nowhere (and that's coming from someone who lives in Des Moines, IA-- which many people would consider nowhere).
Move rural? Good luck. Small towns are drying up for any/all services. Amazon and co are pushing out anything local for shopping. Cost of living for stuff not related to housing is just as high or HIGHER due to lack of infrastructure, plus the lack of meaningful choices (small town stores have higher prices due to lack of purchasing power and limited suppliers).
I'm not saying it's impossible, live off the grid and have your own farm. But doing that with a family, while working 60+ hours a week just to pay your rent, unless you're an SWE. The crunch is REAL for most people.
I'm not sure why someone would assert this unrealistic calculation, except one might graciously interpret it to be describing multiple situations...despite that being completely useless information.
When interest rates were bottomed out, this statement in total wasn't true (at least the $1k/mo part for a 500k loan). I happened to end up in a home that was $490 with 7k down and 2.5% and the payment is naturally above $2k/mo. Finding this situation today is impossible, ofc.
I'm personally not a fan of such a situation but it's a reasonable one in today's world.
The FHFA assesses up-front fees on second homes [1]. One could simply delay this assessment, for a fee, and not assess it if e.g. a year down the line the borrower only has one mortgage. (That said, it seems simpler to reduce the threshold to two from ten.)
[1] https://www.fhfa.gov/Media/PublicAffairs/Pages/FHFA-Announce...
Not a fan even in today's world. Example:
The house next to mine sold for $300k 2y ago. Those owners put about $50k into renovations and sold 1y later for $450k. The current owner did nothing (didn't even mow the lawn!) and 6m later decided to pack up and move across country for a job. He put the house on the market for $650k. It's beyond insulting. That house is going to sit on the market for a long time unless he is willing to make no money or even lose money on the overall transaction.
Seems like an easy fix for the case that's reasonable that doesn't require people to subsidize the wealthy.
Do you have a source? Does this mean one could get up to $10mm in housing guarantees? Or does it mean you can buy ten $100k properties with conforming mortgages?
[1] https://www.fhfa.gov/Media/PublicAffairs/Pages/FHFA-Announce...
But, if you can use a lease against the house as proof of income that could offset the mortgage.
That’s basically the secret sauce to “get rich with real estate” content.
Edit: it has no effect on savvy individuals because they can always put each new home inside an llc, continually keeping their count low. This is what you would do after 10 mortgages today, though most people would have put the homes in llcs by 10 anyway for other reasons.
There's zero reason for an LLC for own a SFH other than as some sort of tax scheme like you mention. Require that any mortgage on a SFH or owner-occupied multiplex be held by an individual. If you want an LLC to own a SFH/OOM, buy it in cash.
In my state a trust can be an LLC, but it doesn’t have to be. My family trust isn’t, but others are.
Now if you're buying it as an investment property, depending on your down payment, that may increase your interest rate.
Limiting it to 1 or 2 would have zero impact on either corporate money or savvy individuals and, would likely reduce upward mobility, as navigation of these subsidized markets is one of the most reliable paths to go from low to medium net worth.
Once someone has 8 figure net worth, these subsidies are noise. I really get the feeling the baddies are using much more egregious subsidies than this one.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-22/mortgage-...
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WSHOMCB
https://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/economic_b...
> Over a longer term, increased mortgage credit supply may push up house price inflation and make housing less affordable.
Agency MBS are being run off at about $20bn per month [1], with the Fed signaling it's due to increase that rate. While that's 11 years against their $2.7tn of holdings, they're currently in a neutral position. They aren't influencing the housing market. (Selling would influence it by jacking up rates.)
[1] https://www.americanbanker.com/news/powell-fed-will-sell-mor...
zoning regulations and the whole path dependence of the last centuries restrict choices to very few ones.
as long as the network effect of cities, the macro effects of the global economy (the dollar propped up, suppressing exports, which wreaks havoc on everything that's not finance) and various other factors (school districts, car dependence) have so oversized influence on where people can live.
and for the foreseeable future there are going to be very high-level coordination problems which keep the market in a pathological state.
-> For most parts of the country, loan limits will rise to $726,200 from a 2022 maximum of $647,200, said FHFA, which oversees mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. By law, loan limits are calculated annually using a formula that factors in average housing prices.
So, this isn't a large increase from year previous
"The mortgage finance market has leaned heavily on government support over the past few years. More than 90 percent of mortgages originated in 2011 were securitized by government entities using taxpayer funds to guarantee investors against default risk. This support cannot continue forever. The status quo perpetuates many of the policies that contributed to the housing bubble and consequently promotes an unstable mortgage market. In order to avoid another crisis, the government must exit mortgage finance and private capital must shoulder mortgage default risk. "
https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/study_restoring_...
Climate change denialism is expensive.
You mean "NY, NJ, CT, and MA". They are the states that provide the vast majority of the surplus in federal taxes paid by its people versus expenditures to them and their states.[1] Four other states also have substantial surpluses, of which two voted for Clinton and Biden, and two voted for Trump both times. Every other state either breaks even (CA among them) or receives more than their people pay in taxes. Of the ten states that get back the most, five and a half (of Maine) voted for Clinton/Biden and four and a half voted for Trump/Trump. Source: Rockefeller Institute's annual studies on the subject.
[1] Yes, they are all Democratic states today, but this was exactly the same a century ago, when MA and CT were solidly Republican and NJ and NY were swing states.
current data don't seem to be available, but pre-pandemic, texas had a housing shortage of over 300k units, the shortage having nearly tripled in less than a decade. that's likely to be worse now. it sure feels worse
a good many of the people immigrating from coastal cities are in a group privileged to remote into coastal jobs. experience corroborates that as well
A bad policy, to be sure, but that doesn’t mean the homes are inherently uninsurable.
Risk is the currency of insurance.
You can’t get loans if you don’t have insurance.
Yet what does every single new home in Florida have? A composite shingle roof, no built-in 100mph+ storm shutters, etc. No requirement for built-in backup power.
This is one instance where insurance should be free to properly price risk. Make classifications of storm resistance and price each home based on what standard it meets.
Frankly California has the same problem with earthquake insurance even though it's all sold by the state created (but supposedly not backed) authority. The rates mostly don't reflect any earthquake-proofing nor what standard the home was built to. If you retrofit a 1930s home to the best modern standard you still pay the same rate as your neighbor who did not.
And once one shingle pops loose suddenly it's much easier for the wind to get under the other shingles near by and the failure can cascade like dominoes in a hurricane situation. Going from a simple repair to replacement of a section or to a whole roof replacement.
Also an other aspect is double checking the shingles are properly placed otherwise the seal strip won't adhere in the correct spot on the shingle below making it easier for the adhesive to come loose and again same problem.
The thing is if you have seen how fast most roofing companies put a roof on a house do you think they are going to do this right?
Also sadly if the roof fails during a hurricane it just means more work for them in the future which means more money paid by insurance. So their incentives are not there. Like there are some roofing companies that will go door to door after a major storm looking for houses basically that have storm damage and get the homeowner to file claim. Looking for things like an out of production shingle so instead of a repair insurance has to buy a whole new roof since replacement shingles don't exist. It's really scummy. The sad thing is this scummy behavior had lead to insurance companies way more likely to deny claims that are valid. I remember seeing a video of roofer with an insurance adjuster acting like what the roofer said was not true or not comment or document it. It was kinda insane and sad at the same time.
Last note: Although shingles without a hurricane rating in my opinion should not be installed in places like Florida.
This is similar to introducing arcane metrics like for example “federal dependency” (https://sipanews.fiu.edu/2021/03/24/2021s-most-least-federal...) with nonobvious methodology, and then pretending that the states that are high in “federal dependency” ranking are actually more meaningfully “dependent” on federal government, which doesn’t actually pass muster if you look at the methodology (for example, according to their methodology, a state that collects $1k in taxes per capita, and gets $4k from federal government, while spending $5k per capita, is more dependent on federal government than a state that collects $10k in taxes, gets $10k from feds and spends $20k, which is absurd).
Basically, there is a lot of attempts at hoodwinking audience by giving impression that there is some deep quantitative analysis behind the claims, when in fact it’s all just partisan shenanigans.
These methodologies always seem to count a retiree drawing social security in Florida as federal dependency, but don’t count the northern Virginia employees of a DC lobbying firm as federal dependency.
Economically it’s probably more productive to give someone however many more working years too.
Nothing like MRI place asking you’ll pay 500 cash. Of 750 copay with balance billed to insurance
Of course paying for bandaids or ibuprofen is on the table but that isn’t what we are talking about mostly.
For example — healthcare is heavily regulated, but veterinary care is lightly regulated. Both have experienced similar amounts of inflation over the past decade.
Or, to give an example from the article — houses that are eligible for government guarantees (those below $750K-$1M) have appreciated similar amounts in the past decade to those that's aren't eligible.
You forget indirect regulation. Veterinary drugs, veterinary education, and similar are quite regulated and expensive. So much so, that the average cost of vet school for in-state residents is over $200,000. Out-of-state, make it closer to $300K. The average cost of acquiring FDA approval of a new animal drug is $100 million and takes seven years.
If you call that "lightly regulated" I don't know what "heavy regulation" is. So, to be honest, I don't believe your comparison is accurate.
EDIT: This does depend on the estimate used (my first one was from https://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/efficacy-vs-cost/). Others say it is closer to $30 million for livestock and 9 years, but costs crossed $62 million in some cases (https://ahi.org/approval-and-regulation-of-animal-medicines/). It seems to depend on how broadly "animal" is defined and the type of drug in question, but it's all under FDA purview. Regardless of how it is defined, it doesn't fall in my view as being nearly as "lightly regulated" as implied.
> Or, to give an example from the article — houses that are eligible for government guarantees (those below $750K-$1M) have appreciated similar amounts in the past decade to those that's aren't eligible.
> The researchers track a “basket” of the most commonly-utilized procedures to see how the typical veterinary visit has changed in price over time. According to their research, these ordinary expenses declined by 6 percent from January 2009 to December 2017 after adjusting for inflation.
[1]https://catalyst.independent.org/2019/09/06/why-cats-pay-a-l...
To be fair, they target a very different market. When you buy at 1M, you usually have assets and are required to put 15-20% down and have significant reserves.
I don't think it's that different. The banks are still mainly concerned with the income-to-debt ratio, just like with conventional loans. The difference is that often people applying for jumbo mortgage loans will use assets and reserves to try to get the bank to worry less about the income-to-debt ratio.
Also 20% down is the standard for a primary-home mortgage loan, regardless of amount. Sometimes that goes to 30% for non-primary-home investment properties, especially if the buyer is not a citizen or green card holder. Lower than 20% is possible, though more difficult to get since 2008, and you usually have to do unfortunate, costly things like obtain mortgage insurance.
(We're talking US market here, since this article is about the US. Other markets presumably differ.)
Neither human nor animal healthcare has any sort of price regulation. Hence both have seen inflation.
With housing, where lending is a major part of purchasing, price inflation is directly linked to ease of lending.
No way. A pet surgery and care is a 4-to-5 digit sum of dollars, while surgery and care for humans is in the 5-to-7 digit sum range.
The US has a lot of regulation in some areas but there is no regulation as far as pricing goes. Most (all?) countries with universal healthcare regulate pricing. There is simply no way around that. That's why my vote is for Medicare for All.
Once cheap money starts flowing into a system, it spreads and makes everything else more expensive.
Think of the flood of cash from the Corona Stimulus Bill, $8 trillion dollars rained down on the economy which eventually worked it's way through the system resulting in a massive flood of unprecedented inflation affecting all sectors.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/16/credit-card-balances-jum...
stimulus was direct.
but the important thing is that the supply chain issues were already in full force. COVID shifted consumption from services to products, put a lot of logistics people out of work in an already stressed sector, plus China's zero covid plus their financial problems decimated products supply.
then demand shifted back. wages started to rise
millions are missing from the labor force (died, early retirement, low immigration numbers)
and this all combined with the fucking war (which led to an energy market shock, which absolutely rocked everything)
..
well, it's just not the same game at this point. 2008 recovery was too little both fiscal (ARRA) and monetary (QE was new)
this was okay, then Trump wanted one more check... and it was not means-tested.
I think everything you said made sense. But just to balance it out, there was a recent Planet Money podcast that explained that wage inflation is not the primary cause and that 55% of inflation is attributed to increased profit margin. The rebuttal from another Econ is this is just temporary anomaly and we’ll see wages rise to erode those profits.
graph here: https://twitter.com/jasonfurman/status/1598042298717155329
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20221...
I’m not discounting that future inflation may come from increased wages, just that it doesn’t seem to be the whole story in the current scenario.
inflation started to really blow up when the energy prices did
arguably the effects of the stimulus were masked by the big unemployment due to COVID, and when it decreased enough for the wage rises to start to get felt the spiral started, and the Fed acted late (because in the post 2008 recovery they acted too fast)
Edit: Incidentally that's why I oppose every proposed form of Universal Basic Income I've heard of. I like the idea of creating a demand backstop[2], but really it's just going to cause rents to increase by the amount of the subsidy.
[1] Both the Federal Reserve and the Department of the Treasury are creatures of Congress and use delegated authority.
[2] Well, I like it in an economy with strong productivity. If production can't stay ahead of the increased demand, you'll just get inflation until the UBI is more or less cancelled out in inflation adjusted terms.
So it may not be the best basis for illustrating your larger point.
When i Moved to the US AirBnb was my best option to get a 2 week home while I hunted for where I would lease for 12 months. A hotel would have easily cost me double because i got a good week or 2 week rate (i forget which) .
America has a massive zoning issue that is causing all kinds of pain and suffering to lower middle class and below.
That's on the market!
So yes, they're on the market. A different market than long term rentals.
Perceptions are just massively skewed by wealthy areas with geographical constraints and strict zoning laws which restrict local supply against demand and everyone complaining focuses on those areas.
[0]: https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_count...
I can't imagine taking out the loan I supposedly qualify for. Meanwhile, people calculate affordability based on a percentage of their income rather than sweating the overall longterm value of a particular property.
For example, post-WW2 saw a massive influx of govt subsidized education in the form of the GI Bill. But the massive rise in education costs is a much more recent phenomenon.
"After the GI Bill was instituted in the 1940s, a number of 'fly-by-night' vocational schools were created. Some of these for-profit colleges still target veterans, who are excluded from the 90-10 rule for federal funding. This loophole encourages for-profit colleges to target and aggressively recruit veterans and their families. Legislative efforts to close the 90-10 loophole have failed. According to the GI Bill Comparison Tool, the largest recipients of GI Bill Funds are
University of Phoenix $190,941,289 ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Colleges_that_target...
I’m not against the idea that govt subsidies raise prices, but it seems like cherry picking to fit a shaky model.[1] If it’s a primary factor, wouldn’t we see that across all schools? Perhaps there’s a different, more foundational cause and we’re being fooled by spurious correlation. If it isn’t applicable elsewhere I fail to see how it can be labeled a root cause.
[1]For example, UofPhoenix was not founded until the late 1970s. This also corresponds to a handful of other societal factors can can be argued contributed to educational costs. If the GI Bill was primarily driving these costs, we should see it in the way the benefits were implemented. Like a high spike post WW2, to waning post Vietnam, to slightly higher with the Montgomery GI bill, to another spike with the post 9/11 GI Bill. But college tuition costs seem to be a fairly steady march higher, including not-for-profit non-vocational schools.
Clinton did it by making most student loan debt non-dischargeable in bankruptcy. https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/28362...
And maybe the Fed could start selling some of their almost 3T in mortgages while they’re at it.
Before we do this, how about we outlaw non-resident ownership of 1-3-family homes? Won't that mean prices will go/slow down, and more people will be able to afford to be homeowners? Without the government stuffing more taxpayer money into the pockets of bankers and Realtors.
Of course, this would also decimate the entire sector as a store of wealth, which, while some may consider that good (and I am partial to the view that a home is first a place to live than an investment), in the short term it would definitely have the effect of wiping out most middle class wealth, which is tied up in the primary/only home.
Then there’s also the problem you would likely see absolutely no units built in high demand areas, since the math wouldn’t pencil out until some sort of equilibrium was found.
People aren't going to stay invested in things that are clearly going to lose them money on an ongoing basis.
You can even phase it in over time.
That said, I think working on creating more housing is a better idea than making a bunch of rules about who can own existing housing.
People have to live somewhere. If you're renting and this insane policy gets enacted, you now need to buy something or you'll be out on the street. So supply increases, but demand increases by the same amount.
if everyone was limited to 1-2 units nationally (let’s say 1 home/unit in high demand cities), then there would absolutely be more supply than demand.
A 400 unit apartment building where the landlord legally must sell 399 units (or all 400 assuming they have other properties), repeated en masse throughout the city, would truly see there being more units on the market than buyers, because a) investors and high net-worth individuals would not be able to buy, as they would be having to sell off to get under the legal cap b) the only available buyers would thus be those who are under the limit of the housing cap, i.e. renters, which are mostly those who could not afford a home at the previous prices in the area
Considering the legal onus would be on the previous owners to sell per this insane law, sellers would rather make $100k>$10k>$1k than $0 and so there would be a rush to sell, exherting immediate downward prices on homes.
In San Francisco, which is a city where >66% rent where they live (and thus <33% of the city owns the whole housing stock), you would see a giant flood of homes hit the market that the existing landed gentry would be unable to snap up, equalizing around a 100% live-own rate (because, again, once you buy one unit you can’t buy another, no matter how cheap it is)
In countries that do this, you wind up with every daughter, cousin and nephew of the wealthy owning title to property. As this shifts the "true" ownership level to a customary, versus legal, plane, extrajudicial dispute resolution becomes commonplace.
Changing the ownership status of some of the supply doesn't change those numbers. Any price effect will be very marginal.
You might say "oh well, that's a shame, but they can move into an apartment", and, well, yes, that is indeed strictly true, but I don't think that's particularly fair.
Now, if we can solve the problem where anyone who can afford to rent the home they live in could also afford to buy it, then sure, let's do this. Not sure that's a tractable problem at this time, though.
>However, for much of the postcrisis period, jumbo loans have been priced better than conforming loans partly because banks see them as valuable for attracting wealthy customers who they can do other business with, industry officials say.
My mortgage is in the ballpark where I could choose whether to get a conforming or jumbo loan. Whenever I’ve shopped for a mortgage, I never was offered a lower rate for a conforming loan. In other words, private funders are willing to finance mortgages more cheaply than the government-backed agencies. For that reason, some of the language in the article criticizing the change doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, eg:
>Critics of Fannie and Freddie’s large role say borrowers who can afford million-dollar mortgages should be able to finance a home without government-backed financing.
This rule change is presumably meaningful to bond traders because it will change the characteristics of bonds that come on the market and who can buy them. Maybe that has some downstream effect on the interest rates offered to consumers?
> adding that some of his clients are unable to qualify for loans for modest-sized homes under the current limits.
Being unable to qualify for a loan on a $650,000-$970,800 limit makes me think you can't afford to live in that area, whatever "modest" size means.
For example, buying a home and selling another. If you want to minimize risk, easier to sell the old one, take a mortgage on the new one, and then clean things up once the dust settles.
At least for cities like Seattle, that’s been basically the only way to sell a home and buy a new one without assuming a ton of risk.
Someone with half a million dollars in cash can't afford a $1.2mm home?
The article is about Fannae Mae and Freddie Mac which buys loans from lenders and turns them into mortgage backed securities.
The lender is not in the business of issuing a loan and then collecting the cash for 30 years. The lender is in the business of issuing the loan and selling it to Fannae Mae.
I don't know what determines the interest rate in this scenario, but Fannae Mae needs to account for mortgage default risk when they operate the program. It is not run as a charity and the possibility of mortgage default means it is not risk free to Fannae Mae.
There are government guaranteed loans not covered by this article like FHA and VA loans which have mortgage insurance, but I don't think they are cost free to the lender if the loan defaults. I believe the lender needs to comply with regulatory requirements and has costs related to making an insurance claim and proving eligibility for an insurance claim when they get compensated.
"The FHA reimburses only about two thirds of foreclosure expenses, interest is not reimbursed for the first two missed payments, and interest is reimbursed at the HUD debenture rate for subsequent missed payments."
More info is at this article:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...
How does $1m help?