Scribd Protests SOPA By Making A Billion Pages On The Web Disappear
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Like this 288 page book, found in seconds on Google (does Kernighan still work there?) , which I guess must be in public domain, right? http://www.scribd.com/doc/59247191/PRENTICE-HALL-The-C-Progr...
Just how much of Scribd's value comes from books like this?
Assumption (possibly incorrect) on my part that it would be fairly easy to identify blocks and ranges of congressional IP addresses, and that it would be legal to block them in the first place.
So - what to do with sites like Scribd, post SOPA? Just blacklist the entire site because it gets a lot of DMCA requests?
What do the SOPA proponents (do we have _ANY_ of those on HN, I really would love to be educated by them) have to say about that?
Since the DMCA appears to have failed (in the eyes of copyright holders), and since that failure appears in large part to be due what they consider a loophole, don't be surprised if the next round of legislation is not going to include the loophole.
If you don't want the government regulating your business, a little preemptive self regulation often goes a long way.
There is no such thing to a smaller mind, such as a Congressperson's. The people who argue and vote for these laws are not big computery people, they are lawyers, and exceedingly lazy ones at that. The subtlety you describe, that some websites can be multi-use, is lost on people who can't understand how Reddit in not just a den of kiddie porn after hearing the stories over the summer.
then you read something like https://torrentfreak.com/retired-computerless-woman-fined-fo... , and realise this is what would happen if the music companies had their way. Profit at any costs, even when it cant even be proven that any crime has been breached.
At the end of the day I see the music companies fighting a losing battle (the megalupload takedown certainly didnt help), the musicians still "making it rich" and the consumers who buy music STILL buying music, though direct from the musician, thats why the companies are trying to have this act passed.
For maximum impact: Google should disable all of its public facing web servers for a week.
I think Congress would get its act together pretty darn quickly if there were no Google search or GMail.
That would be making a point that would be lost on a lot of people.
Their first and last thought would be: "What the hell is going on? I'm losing orders here and my packers are standing around drinking coffee."
You can tell people what you want them to think about, but you can't force them to think.
I've not heard of a single rational person being individually in favor of this bill. Now, that certainly doesn't mean there aren't any, but by and large I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of US citizens are either ambivalent or in opposition when it comes to SOPA. The only groups that are for this bill, so far as I can tell, are big content providers and their lobbies.
If almost no one is in favor of a piece of legislation, and there are millions vehemently opposed to it, why in God's name is it still being considered? Is it really just so certain Congressman can collect money from the proponents of the bill? That seems far too cynical to be accurate. If there's more truth in that statement than false, I think we owe it to ourselves to never re-elect a single sitting member of this Congress.
The longer I live, the more ashamed I become of the United States government.
I'm sure HBO, and all of its employees, and their families, would appreciate being able to somehow DNS blackhole all the search engines leading to torrents of the content they try and sell for $18/month on digital cable, or $85/Season for DVDs.
If you are Adele, or one of the tens of thousands of artists like her (or their families, or the people that provide services to them) - don't you think you'd like to DNS blackhole, and remove from every search engine of note, http://mp3skull.com/mp3/someone_like_you_adele.html starting today?
The Global entertainment industry is worth 100s of billions of dollars, much of it created in the United States - SOPA is an attempt, however ham handed, at protecting that industry.
I'm curious, dos1 - how would you protect rights holders? I don't have any good answers, but perhaps you do.
The entertainment business hasn't ceased to exist despite a decade of internet piracy -- and in fact seems to be doing quite well. Both of your examples, Adele and HBO (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/business/media/time-warner...) are doing great -- so I wouldn't hold them up as examples of the plight of the entertainment industry.
So, I'd ask you instead, how can you show that our existing laws that protect rights holders aren't adequate.
What many (most?) commentators fail to understand is that the entertainment industry is not interested in anything that account for less than 1% of the population. If 2.6 million americans wish to use some wacky "Direct Connect" or "Darknet" or "Unregistered Usenet" system - have at it. You are round off error.
It's when it moves into the wholesale category of piracy - ala: http://www.google.com/search?q=adele+mp3+download
Then they have a problem. As do the artists.
It would be interesting to see a study of "Health of Entertainment Industries with heavy emphasis on Content Resale" vs "Protection of Intellectual property (copyrights, trademarks, internet policing" in various countries.
HBO and Adele may be doing okay - how many thousands of artists can't make a living (and don't even try) - because they would be just ripped off.
Don't get me wrong - I'm opposed to SOPA, but not because I don't think it wouldn't help the entertainment industry - I'm certain it would. I'm opposed to SOPA because I care more about the internet industry (which SOPA would hurt).
At the end of the day - it's really a question of which we value more - creation of high-value entertainment content, or individual rights, freedoms, and the entire internet industry.
I know where my vote is.
This is the crux of the issue. I contend that more art is being created now than ever before. I know so many musicians in my personal life, I can't even keep track of all of their albums and shows. On SoundCloud and YouTube and Internet Archive I could listen to music freely given for months on end and never listen to the same song twice.
However, I have never once met a musically inclined person that decided not to make music because of GrooveShark or BitTorrent. I've never heard someone say "well, Adele is only worth 20 million, and I'll never be as big as her, so why bother?"
But ultimately, we as humans build on each other's works. It's the best way to progress. Why re-invent the wheel for everything each time? So much less productive.
Then those 2.6 million people give physical copies to their friends and you're back to square one. That same theory has been trotted out every time someone has a new anti-piracy technology and wants people to believe that this time, it will work. Every single thing has failed..
Most people aren't very good at cryptography. But it only took a few people to write DeCSS and a few more to run it, then everyone had DVD rips. Same for BDs, same for video game copiers especially back when they were cartridges instead of DVDs. Same for everything else.
The same exact story has been repeated over and over. Why do you think it will be different this time? Do you think it will be more successful because the government is calling the shots now?
Um, I don't know if you know this but artists being "ripped off" by the entertainment establishment is not exactly unheard of. In fact (though I don't know firsthand) I believe it's par for the course.
That said, I utterly disagree that the US has any obligation to protect the "intellectual property" of any group. The music industry has stolen and stolen and stolen from musicians for years and having vast influence now, they want the right to steal services from anyone else based on any possibility, any whiff, that their government-granted-monopoly might be infringed on.
As others have pointed, the era of the fall the music industry gate keepers has been good to musicians.
If the US government is our government (big if there), it does not have the obligation to make its main priority private policing for a variety of falling monopolists. In other words, I don't have an answer to your final question but my comment is "this is not my problem, it is their problem and our response should be to throw it back to them".
The MPAA lost and the VCR stayed in the market; phenomenally increasing MPAA member revenue because apparently, potential is a two way street.
The IP-based industries see new potentials (eg, the internet), get FUD'd up by the potential abuse, refuse to be creative enough to see the potential revenue, and then go into Destroy-Everything mode.
The stupidity runs deep. They seek legislative blockage due to their thorough inability to be compatible with emerging patterns of consumption.
> If you are Adele, ... don't you think you'd like to DNS blackhole...
Well, no. I'd like to see what removing all pirated works and making it much more of a pain the ass to get my IP actually does for sales vs. leaving them out and possibly garnering the goodwill and increased exposure. But then, I'm a numbers guy and not an entertainer.
I've read about studies that say piracy is good, and a lot that show how little piracy or the lack of it actually effects the artists (vs. the industry whoring them out); maybe there's some sort of laffer curve effect there, or maybe the studies are all bullshit too. I don't have any good answers either, but I know what I'd try. And maybe I'd get real broke, real fast too. <Shrug>
Because our 'representatives' don't really represent us. Never have, never will, IMO.
I'm not advocating for 100% direct democracy. I'm just saying there is a scale, and we need to push that scale back a little more towards direct democracy, because right now it's too easy for politicians to do whatever they want when in Office when the only repercussion is not being re-elected (maybe). Getting a lot of funding for the 2nd campaign can help negate that "punishment" too sometimes.
The cynic in my would say "money". They're getting paid to pass it. I don't have any hard data backing that up, which is why I'm only saying in cynically, but if that IS true, would it surprise anyone here?
The recent history of the US government shows a frightening trend toward giving itself more power. And power to control information is always especially coveted.
Just playing devil's advocate...
Consider the civil rights laws of the 50s and 60s. These were widely (albeit not universally) reviled, but passing the laws was the right thing to do (in most cases). Indeed, having sworn to uphold the Constitution, the legislators may have been obligated to do so.
I do not believe that a strong case can be made for SOPA in this way. But it's definitely a mistake to believe that all legislation should be determined on purely democratic grounds.
SOPA was/is bought and paid for for a clearly tiny minority of interests. The civil rights laws emerged as a result of a contentious political process spurred on by protests and resistance by a sizable part of the population. It was certainly democratically motivated --- just not in the sense of counting heads.
SOPA has nothing to do with democracy at all. It's about corporations protecting their interests. This happens all the time, of course, but to say that democracy should be thrown out the window because, well, sometimes you just have to "do the right thing" is garbage.
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