Why do you guys hate school so much?
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> So, I’m a sceptic of the ‘school is a moral disaster that we’ll look back on with shame’ position. Or at least, I think it seems weird to hold the view that schools are a moral disaster without thinking that most employment is a moral disaster.
That's exactly the point. I think that a lot of people who think school is a moral disaster would agree that most employment is too. The only thing that mitigates this somewhat is that you have choice once you are out of school. However school has a lot to do with setting us up for the moral disaster that is employment - that is its primary purpose, and it is very effective at it.
We would not accept being treated like this as adults, but yet we have no problems putting our kids through this.
In private schools, I saw schools answering to their boards, which meant a focus on SAT scores and IVY league admissions.
In public schools, curriculum is geared towards standardized tests created by private corporations. Quality varies enormously based on the cost of real estate in the area (meaning amount of tax dollars going in)
unfortunately, a lot of microschools are still trying to re-create school, this in spite of the fact that compulsory schooling was an experiment, that just stuck around, in spite of its failings.
Both systems put little emphasis on the individual child and their needs.
By design, schools serve a system, and not individual children. They're oriented towards standardization so that everyone can hit one mediocre level that justifies taxpayers dollars. We need a public education system that's flexible and oriented towards serving the needs of individual children and communities, not a standardized 9-3 schedule and curriculum that takes decades to tweak and change.
Furthermore, there's a fine line between indoctrination and education, but they are opposites, in fact. In my opinion, schools are more on the indoctrination side of things, not the love and passion for learning side.
Maybe we should also ask why we're outsourcing education at all? Why shouldn't it be the parent's role and why shouldn't we give them resources to do it well?
Another thing I hate is how school and teachers are glorified all the time. Sure, I had some great teachers. I also had terrible ones, and the final balance is negative. But they can't accept that, so in my country you need to have a reason to homeschool kid, and ask the administration.
Someone asked what "school" is here, for me it would be everything up until high school (included).
Are you all saying that school should start later, after kids get being kids out of their system? There’s just not that much of a need for blue collar work (which also has training) and how many artists are successful? Hacking, yeah, that’s ok in that doing >> knowing in the age of stack overflow.
According to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center: "almost one in four undergraduate women experienced sexual assault or misconduct at 33 of the nation's major universities".
Do you know what schools don't teach? How much $$$ money you lose through taxes.
>> "Out of public schools grows the greatness of a nation."
"Out of public schools grows the indoctrinated masses of a nation".
Let’s see, looking back:
Anything past basic mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Physical Science.
In fact, most of the hard science and STEM related classes have turned out to be totally useless in my day to day and professional life.
The things/skills from classes that I have continually utilized:
Public Speaking, Debate Club, Professional Writing, Philosophy, Logic, Sociology, I even attended a single symposium on FBI negotiation tactics.
The older I get the more I come to understand C. West’s position that “the removal of classics is a spiritual catastrophe.”