Twitter Exodus Hits Teams Tasked with Regulatory, Content Issues Globally
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I'll be interested when Twitter has actual issues instead of crazy conspiracy theory of the day about the future problems that are sure to come, never to be spoken about again if the prediction doesn't turn out to be true.
It won't fail immediately but at the first major problem it will get interesting.
So many assumptions you have to make to get from "Twitter shipped a minor css bug" to "Twitter as a web service is going to come imminently crashing down".
Shitposting and unbanning accounts?
> So many assumptions you have to make to get from "Twitter shipped a minor css bug" to "Twitter as a web service is going to come imminently crashing down".
I'm taking it as a data point together with other similar data points and building a picture. Twitter is full of weird little issues lately. Like the trends turning into a hilarious list of generic words... not signifying any trend at all: https://twitter.com/Whatapityonyou/status/159611539631859712...
You are indeed an idiot. I imagine you meticulously recording minor changes to the website and I can't stop laughing.
I'm sure your predictions of IMMINENT DOOM will materialize any day now. You should make a sign and stand in the middle of Times Square. You'd be in good company.
I did not see anyone make any such statements. Who are you referring to?
https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1593378041882820608
https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/1593381808112291840
https://twitter.com/search?q=twitter%20will%20break%20world%...
etc.
Typical fear-mongering. From many of the same people who claim "the other side" fear-mongers.
Quick: better move to my social media platform... I heard Twitter is failing.
Meanwhile, Twitter is at record-high usage.
> Meanwhile, Twitter is at record-high usage. Why do you have loyalty to someone who doesn’t care about you — Elon.
>> Last week Twitter was supposed to break in a couple of days > I did not see anyone make any such statements. Who are you referring to?
So I answered that poster. I provided the parent comment with some avenues for witnessing a small sampling of the lies and fear-mongering about Twitter. For example, if you spend some time at my last link, a Twitter search page, you'll find one possible search query that results in statements of the kind the parent comment asked for. For example:
> Staying on twitter until it breaks, but make no mistake— it will break (World Cup tweets alone…).
> If no big news story breaks this weekend I suspect Twitter will crash on Monday, sometime after 8am when England scores their 1st World Cup goal. I read that Twitter staff would have watch parties for WC traffic & pray for no goals so there'd be no cascading server failures.
> Twitter will break next week. The World Cup is the #1 driver of social media posts - by ALOT - and would stress a system at full functionality. Twitter is going down faster than Neymar.
> I don’t wanna stir fear but a site like Twitter having a skeleton crew running it means that 100% shit will break. Oh and the Qatar World Cup is coming soon, Twitter may not be able to cope with that (if Steve broke Twitter then the World Cup for sure will)
> Predictions are that the World Cup traffic will likely “break” Twitter.
> The World Cup is gonna kill Twitter
> The World Cup will break Twitter, probs
And from the first link I posted, a news article:
> the 2022 FIFA World Cup over the weekend. It has historically been one of Twitter's busiest events, when Tweet surges heavily stress its systems. "It does look like he's going to blow up Twitter," said Robert Graham. > "I can't see how the lights won't go out at any moment."
Again: *etc.* There's plenty more out there.
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> Your comment says people said it should break by now. That isn’t the case.
Wrong. My comment does provide evidence of people saying it should break (have broken) by now; it gave the parent commenter the exact information they requested: people saying it should break "by now"--days prior to the world cup.
Also, I said nothing about what "most people" are saying. Although, now I would expect you to provide evidence for your assertion. I'd like to see evidence that "most people" are saying it "may" break in the "near future."
I expect goalposts to continue to move, so your comment is not surprising.
> Why do you have loyalty to someone who doesn’t care about you — Elon.
Whoa. That one came out of nowhere. I'd like to know what you imagined I wrote in my first post that signified I'm "loyal" to Twitter's new owner.
[1] https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159532050115648716...
Thing is - you can absolutely build and operate a site that allows people to post things and have other people follow them with just "20 amazing engineers".
What you can't do with just "20 amazing engineers" is operate a safe, harassment-limiting, CSAM-free, ad-friendly, legality-following, privacy-preserving, FTC consent decree'd site.
Twitter can survive Musk's cuts. It might not be pretty, and I think he's an ass in many ways (and I've interviewed with him!) But he's not wrong that it was bloated.
People like to oversimplify what it does, if it was only sharing tweets and images, sure you could get by with 20 or 30 engineers. But they are a self service ad network, a video upload site, a live streaming service, an analytics service and I’m sure I’m missing others.
Now, if you figure 20 engineers per service, plus moderation staff, sales, g&a, etc… you can easily hit hundreds (if not thousands) of people necessary to just keep things going.
PlentyOfFish was run by one person for years. Moot ran 4chan with the help of 1 part time engineer. Whatsapp has 55 employees and over 2 billion monthly active users.
I get that Twitter has some unique challenges like handling tweets from celebrities with millions of followers, but there's no reason it needs thousands of employees.
Off the top of my head, twitter has multiple media types like video, live streaming, an ad exchange, data analytics tracker and embeds in websites.
Plus suddenly I’m getting really weird “topics” or whatever these random posts are in my feed. I’ve opted out of several of them and they just keep appearing. Like “popular videos” keeps inserting itself into my feed, and if I click on it it will say “don’t worry, you won’t see more of these” every time. I’ve clicked the “never show me this” button a dozen times or so and it’s still appearing in my feed.
Not to mention just the general algorithm being bad. I follow tons of accounts. But last few times I’ve checked twitter there’s maybe a page or two of new posts, then I scroll a bit further and it’s the same stuff as yesterday. Or tweets from a few days ago that I already saw. I’ve had to manually check the pages of people I follow to find their tweets. I’m just missing lots of stuff now.
Twitter is slowly falling apart. I think it’s only a matter of time before larger site-breaking issues appear. Most of the accounts I follow are also posting to mastodon now, and at least there mastodon will show me their posts in my feed.
What I have seen is people say the service will have degradation, which I have definitely observed first hand. I have also noticed the quality of ads have gone from major brands using it, to what I would consider much lower quality ads. Additionally, for some of the few mainstream ads I have seen, there have been ads I have seen directly above/below NSFW/NSFL content, which is a major brand safety issue.
Being blunt, they have saddled themselves with massive amounts of debt, their revenue sources are fleeing quicker than they can replace, some of their core user bases are actively trying to find a different platform and they have hemorrhaged employees they want to keep. Couple that with the current leadership at Twitter being very impulsive and doing stuff like unbanning everyone’s accounts (do people remember when ISIS was recruiting on Twitter), ad buyers (where almost the entirety of their revenue comes from) don’t see things getting better soon.
Even someone who is blinded by Elons charisma can add 2+2 and realize as a company that Twitter is in murky waters. MySpace didn’t disappear in a month, neither will Twitter.
It's not fair to blame Elon for a few marketing firms telling all of their clients to stop advertising on Twitter because they don't like Elon.
Uh, people in the ad industry for the most part don’t give a fuck about political or personal views, nearly all the concerns about placement with publishers revolve around brand safety, ease of use and success rates.
It’s absolutely fair to say that Elons decisions have made Twitter very unattractive to both brands and agencies, which will take years to build trust back.
New Twitter hasn’t had a major outage yet, but the degradation in various services kind of suggests that the remaining SREs/ops people are overwhelmed, since they can’t even keep up the full functionality of the site.
The "it was supposed to break in a couple of days" meme is an often repeated strawman by Elon's defenders. Can you point to any ex-Twitter employee claiming Twitter is supposed to break in a couple of days?
Most said the system is built to be resilient, as long as THERE ARE NO CHANGES MADE TO IT. And no significant outages, hacker attacks, and so on challenges.
You tell me, can Twitter coast indefinitely without changes? How do they plan to monetize it without changes? And without advertisers?
The problem is Elon and his goons are randomly shutting down things in attempt to "remove the bloat" and then they don't know how to turn them on. So things have been breaking in the last few weeks.
Any way you look at it, Twitter is on a course to disaster. But like the Titanic, it takes a bit to get there.
I'm a bit shocked that no-one "acquihired" twitter to make another real tech company without hitting all the barriers and filtering even an infinite blood-money funded startup will hit. They threw out the baby, but the bath water is still there, and cloudy and a bit cold.
The business is now in the red in the excess of 10B dollars because Elon put a 13B dollar loan on the company's books.
The company was running fine even after the market crash until Elon took over. It's in the red now, not because of bloated employees- but because of Elon Musk.
He laid off 90% of Asia and much of EU, betraying his bullshit about mission and vision.
This is just him spending money for a seat at the table with a specific party
I wonder how much of this is actually due to employees leaving/being fired and how much is just due to increased regulatory interest due to Twitter having new owners? As we've seen a lot of the content issues are due to organizations attempting to get twitter in trouble since Elon is perceived to be "anti-establishment" by many https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595630109116989440, and GDPR has a reputation for not being enforced equally. One has to wonder whether things have actually changed or if they're just getting regulated differently now
Pretty much every position named in the FTC consent decree appears to have left which means they have no-one to handle that and, apparently, there's an audit due in January. This is not "just due to increased regulatory interest due to Twitter having new owners" - it's the existing consent decree they have to work under.