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> The job cuts are clearly justified because of the extremely toxic "work culture"

I'm very curious in what way the stuff Elon is doing is not creating toxic work culture? >Minimum< 40 hour work week. 100% office work. Working into the night. Being fired for pushing back.

I'm not denying there may have been toxic work culture before, but I don't see how replacing it with another form of toxic work culture is to be celebrated.

Also, writing this:

> There is no active independent thought around this subject to be found. Only vitriol and bile.

And then spewing a bunch of vitriol and bile really distracts from any point you were trying to make:

> akin to witnessing a fat child throwing an epic tantrum laying flat on a mall floor

> Straight up Cartmenesque.

> clearly justified because of the extremely toxic "work culture" / cult

> because mommy didn't buy them an xbox

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Up until recently 100% office work was the norm. It still is for most people. Many employers are quite adamant about it, not just Elon.

40 hours per week is also known as the standard work week. A bog standard j-o-b. Those are not reasonable examples of any sort of toxicity.

If these painfully regular employment terms are not competitive with other offers nobody is forced to pick twitter as their employer.

> but I don't see how replacing it with another form of toxic work culture is to be celebrated.

Walk on by. Find a company more suited to your temperament that will give you the pay and perks you think you deserve.

> And then spewing a bunch of vitriol and bile really distracts from any point you were trying to make

> because mommy didn't buy them an xbox

I assure you the child was quite literally stating xbox as the reason for his tantrum. Loudly. Whilst withering on the floor. I'm simply giving an eye witness account.

I am not trying to comment on anything else here, but this:

>>Minimum< 40 hour work week. 100% office work.

Those are the norm for most fulltime people in most jobs. You know that, right? Right?

Toxic to me is joining a company under certain terms of employment only for some billionaire to come in and drastically change those working conditions for the worse. I frankly don't give a shit if others have it worse, there's always others that have it worse which is why I didn't take a job at somewhere worse.

Thank you for a moment of unintended candor at least.

To this I say: Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.

Call it "toxic" if you wish, I find this whole thing hilarious. Especially this reply.

yeah i think that's a perfectly reasonable view to have. If the job changes to something other than what you signed up for and you're unhappy then I feel like you have an obligation to yourself to find something else.

You are basically describing every single takeover. When a company changes ownership it is unusual if there isn't a drastic shake up of things including working conditions. I don't understand why this one is a such a big deal other than the employees are throwing a temper tantrum. This type of thing is happening all the time all across the country yet people are discussing it like this is some new huge thing.

If as an employee you do not like the shake up, you always have the right to seek work other places. If you are indispensable (lottery/bus test) you may have some negotiating power but most of the time when up against a big corporation you are just SOL.

Every takeover? That's funny because when my employer was bought by a bigger company they increased benefits to ensure that they wouldn't lose their best employees.

The 20-hour-full-time-from-home-six-figure tech job wasn't a new paradigm or a shift in c-suite work/life balance philosophy. It was 0% interest rates coupled with asset inflation leading to tech companies having more cash than they could possibly figure out how to spend. A transient financial anomaly in a whirlwind of larger economic conditions.

Now that the fed has been (rightfully)pulling the rug, people shouldn't be surprised if tech work goes back to the 60/70 hour grinds it was infamous for.

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