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The waning days of DEI's dominance

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> The rout turned traditional concepts of meritocracy, color blindness, and equality of opportunity into something "problematic" and "toxic".

Have all the rich people gone insane at the same time or something?

It seems impossible to me for a Danish immigrant to the USA to believe it was a meritocracy with equality of opportunity.

And indeed, he seems to go on to admit that.

Aside: This url seems to have multiple duplicate submissions for some reason.

I don’t think anyone believes equality of opportunity has been achieved. Only that it is a value worth striving for as opposed to equality of outcome.

“The central premise of DEI, that discrepancies between demography statistics and employment reality, is defacto proof of discrimination is simply false. The sooner this erroneous analysis fade from prominence, the better for all.”

This is the biggest problem with DEI efforts. Corporations are attempting to correct an issue that begins during childhood.

Handing out pamphlets telling employees to “be less white” isn’t going to fix a pipeline problem. No matter how many HR people you hire. Neither does setting a diversity quota, or telling your Asian employees they are now “white adjacent”, any other cringey DEI lecture of the month.

Think about these tactics for more than 5 seconds and it completely falls apart.

I think what gets lost in the extreme vs extreme debate in DEI is that the mainstream view on the goals of DEI are equality of opportunity.

Which is exactly what DEI isn't.

DHH makes a good case with respect to the culture turning against this phenomenon. The speed at which it occurred is surprising to me.

I don't think we're out of the woods yet, but I appreciate his call to action to those who have been waiting for the winds to shift.

What evidence is there to this other than a high profile court case and Musk taking over Twitter, do you think all the activists have just suddenly given up? You don’t think they’ll fight back harder with more rigorous tactics after this?

He cites a poll showing that support for BLM has dropped to about 30%. That's a massive 20 point swing in 2 years. Of course the activists will continue their crusade. The question is: who is still listening?

A single organization does not a movement make. DEI was here long before BLM and will be here long after. Activists movements have always had infighting, surviving that is part of what makes them so resilient.

BLM was the most prominent success, but turned out to be self-defeating. The arguments are bankrupt and the counterargument are simply winning now. There is no going back or ‘fighting harder’ when your position no longer has currency.

Exactly. They'll retain a sort of zombified power and influence in organizations that they successfully captured over the last decade. But even that will slowly fade as well. You are right. They lost the debate.

I hope so

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