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It's been massively disappointing to watch since Musk's behaviour has been abhorrent and has resulted in a lot of unnecessary hurt and despair for innocent employees. The same employees who may end up running future startups.
Not exactly the results I'd expect from someone who really knows how to run a company.
If one of Musk's middle managers had messed up this badly, Musk would have fired them already. But Elon deserves the continued benefit of the doubt for some reason.
So... not the general operability of the service?
And second of all, he thinks Twitter can’t lead to deaths? Let’s say the Iranian government was given unfettered access to DMs and metadata for all Iranian citizens with an account. Not hard to imagine scenarios that end in death.
I'm not even sure what paulg's point is. Are people actually claiming they'd do a better job than Musk, or are they simply commenting on the missteps and bizarre behavior. You don't need to have run a successful tech company to know that spending your time as a CEO antagonizing your employees on social media, and then threatening your remaining employees with an ultimatum is not a good idea.
Then the next tweet says
> In both those companies, people die if the software doesn't work right. Do you really think he's not up to managing a social network?
Thing is, I agree that Twitter needed to be shaken up. But, Musk has made the wrong choices every step of the way. It's like he's giving a masterclass on how to be a terrible leader. It's amazing the miscalculations Musk has made. First, his longest tenure, most experience employees likely just got a huge payday on their stock/options - so of course they will peace out. Second, his antics are driving up the price of hiring new employees. Third, Musk still had a lot of goodwill before taking ownership that he's now squandered. I could go on...
The only thing I can think is he looked hard at the financials and the debt load he saddled the company with and panicked.
i hope the reason is because of the risk of flamewars, rather than YC leadership's desire to protect the reputation of someone who is hagified in SV circles and currently crashing and burning very publicly.
I’ve personally been visiting new and flagging all Twitter/mastodon posts I see (i started doing this after getting sick of all the Twitter/mastodon posts hitting the front page).
I don’t want the front page to be all Twitter all the time, and most of the posts boil down to speculation and gossip and the ones that don’t, usually don’t offer anything meaningfully new and interesting.
I suspect there are plenty of others like me.
Likewise it doesn’t need continued speculation about what Elon really meant when he posted ‘blah blah blah’.
Substantive things will get through (this one did).
Yay Elon/Boo Elon drama won’t.
If you really need it, feel free to browse new yourself and vouch.
Nope, it doesn't.
> Substantive things will get through (this one did).
Are you only flagging the non-substantive things? Because that's not what you imply above ("flagging all Twitter/mastodon posts").
If it’s substantive it will have enough in the other direction that it doesn’t matter.
And it’s not like I have an army of bot accounts continually refreshing and flagging.
I’m just using my one vote to signify I’m not interested in hearing about Twitter drama.
>If it’s substantive it will have enough in the other direction that it doesn’t matter.
Is just flat out wrong.
It still achieves my objective of less Twitter drama on the front page.
Are the goings on at Twitter relevant to "the industry"? Sure. But, the inability to have serious discussion about it speaks poorly of the those that populate that industry.
Somewhere between the 10,000th iteration of "see how billionaires are evil?", "see how Musk is a genius?", "see how Musk behaves badly?", and "Look at what's Musk accomplished?" nothing new is said. Anything novel or serious that does manage to pop-up gets drowned out in the sea of noise.
I join you in downvoting all of these. There are good discussions on HN, but these discussions are them.
The system tends not to be able to do this without human intervention—either the flags win (in which case the story gets smothered) or the upvotes win (in which case HN becomes Twittermusk News with a side dish of SBFTX). Human intervention is needed to keep the teeter-totter from teetering one way or tottering the other*.
We're super open to feedback. If you (or anyone) want to influence the balance, you should make your case to hn@ycombinator.com. That's the only reliable message queue.
More explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33667761
(* Unfortunately. It would be so much nicer to just write code to deal with this.)
I think for the most part it's been working well.