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As much as I'd like to encourage the rethinking of input methods, any terminal with a "Pricing" page is an instant nope from me. My current terminal is Open Source and while it's not perfect, it's also Free. That matters more to me than mouse input or IDE autosuggestions. If you're going to treat Linux users as a second-class citizen and charge for corporate usage, who are you hoping your target audience will be? Frankly, I don't ever see this replacing iTerm 2 for most Mac developers.

I wish you luck, but your product in it's current state is confusing to me. fish solves most of these issues for me and it runs on all my devices, free. All I'll say is that your competition is stiff.

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The app is 100% free for any and all individuals. The business plan is to create collaborative and cloud-based features that businesses will be willing to pay for. Please check out our pricing page to learn more.

Please note that our business model is not about collecting and monetizing any of your personal data.

https://www.warp.dev/privacy

> The business plan is to create collaborative and cloud-based features that businesses will be willing to pay for.

You know what, that is fair. I know a lot of folks take an issue with software that is monetized and many are jumpy about software that might rugpull them and lock certain features behind a paywall some time down the line, or look into more aggressive forms of monetization, but at the same time a lot of software would probably be better made if it had stable financial backing.

I'll probably keep using the most boring terminal setup that's possible just for the sake of not being an early adopter (which is just an excuse because I don't have a Mac), but I'm curious to see how this will play out in the long term, so good luck with your endeavor!

> Please check out our pricing page to learn more.

Here's the direct link: https://www.warp.dev/pricing

And to save folks a click:

  Individual
  A modern terminal experience for individuals. Download now!
  Free
  Includes
  - Block Creation
  - A.I. Command Search
  - Workflows
  - Modern input text editing
  
  Team
  Advanced collaboration and support for teams. Coming soon.
  Pricing TBD
  Everything in Individual, Plus
  - Shared team configurations
  - Shared team workflows
  - Real-time terminal sharing
  - Shared terminal notebooks

  Enterprise
  Security, compliance, and flexible deployment. Coming soon.
  Pricing TBD
  Everything in Team, plus
  - Advanced security and compliance
  - Advanced team deployment
  - Integration with internal tools

I need AI in my terminal like Xerox needed intelligent character compression that randomly alters digits in copies.

From what I can tell, lots of people have different preferences.

Some might rather enjoy a smarter autocomplete, much like IntelliSense and products like it made the older IDEs feel like text editors.

Plugins like TabNine/Codota went a step further and attempted to make the suggestions even more relevant and context sensitive.

As long as this "AI" doesn't just randomly execute commands, but rather suggests you what options are popular (locally or online, saving you opening StackOverflow, for example) or what might be relevant from the documentation and examples (so you don't have to do too much manpage scrolling), I fail to see the harm.

Oh trust me, this terminal does have major problems executing things automatically. If any command runs in the background, the stdout seems to flush into your input editor area LOL

https://github.com/warpdotdev/Warp/issues/1796

I prefer this vigil vs "I fail to see the harm." which I hope doesn't get any traction in the application of AI.

>>My current terminal is Open Source and while it's not perfect, it's also Free.

>The app is 100% free for any and all individuals.

I assume the usage of the upper-case F in "Free" indicated libre, not gratis. Your comment is about the latter.

It has to be open-source (meaning (A)GPL, MIT, BSD, Apache, etc.) to be even considered by bigger organizations (especially in Europe). I worked with medium and large organizations and if you're fully open-source you can even get funding [to help distributing open source infrastructure software], but if you do the "shady open-core" model I can't use it at least where I work.

of so if it's 100% free, where's the source code?

That would be libre

"Libre" is just "Free" in Spanish.

In English, and especially in software, "libre" is often used to differentiate two meanings of "free": you know, ye olde "free as in 'freedom'" vs "free [libre] as in 'free beer.'"

Libre means free as in liberty in Spanish. "Gratis" means free as in beer.

Could you separate that into "free for businesses if they only want the stuff individuals want; but you can pay for a corporate plan on top to enable extra stuff" — i.e. open-core model?

Maybe with a proprietary binary release that includes the corporate features, and an open-CI/CD binary release that doesn't, ala the Chrome/Chromium split?

>Please note that our business model is not about collecting and monetizing any of your personal data

Doesn't matter, any kind of connection to the mothership or telemetry is a no-no...

You could have corporate edition, with telemetry and everything or a personal one.

But no self-respecting dev is gonna use a terminal calling home for personal use...

I don't respect myself as a dev and even I wouldn't use it.

How many times do you need to get dunked on before you stop promoting this waste of an app

There is simply no excuse for this entire concept of this mode of operation for a terminal.

There is no such thing as a good and well-intentioned and safe-trust-us way to do it. The fundamental concept is offensive from the outset.

There is no nice and honest and integrity way to do a fundamentally bad thing.

Can you explain why free and/or open source is important to you? What sacrifices are you willing to make to maintain free and open source?

> Can you explain why free and/or open source is important to you? What sacrifices are you willing to make to maintain free and open source?

Why should you have to make sacrifices for it? If I were demanding an open-source solution where one didn't exist, that would be one thing, but here I (and presumably also the parent) intend just to keep using an open-source solution that works perfectly well for me.

This terminal could be good for people learning a new commandline tool. Can fish shell show inline the documentation for the command flags during completion?

Tools with better DX (developer experience) are a market that's been tapped into heavily in the past few years, personally I'm not surprised there's a pricing page. Would I pay for something like this? Probably never; I don't feel like I need to optimize my terminal workflow even if I have to reach for the manpage of a command from time to time.

> can fish shell show inline docs

Yes, it can. It's not the full docs of course, but tab completion for flags often comes with a one liner about what it does from the docs [1].

[1]: https://blog.jpalardy.com/posts/fish-shell-is-awesome/

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