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Exactly my question. How confusing.

Especially since there is some feature discrepancy between WSL1 and WSL2, sometimes there is a need to use the former.

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I quite prefer the original, albeit little more than a container.

Mostly because the newer version forces you into Hyper-V, and I'd rather not be committed to that hypervisor

If I'm on Windows I'm much more likely to want good old VMWare Workstation. Enabling WSL2/Hyper-V precludes this

I haven't had nearly as good of an interactive (UI capable) guest experience with anything else (beyond KVM with QXL/Spice)

Edit: At risk of arguing their merits, video game anti-cheat clients will often categorically refuse to run if Hyper-V is enabled, too.

You can run VMWare Workstation with Hyper-V enabled now: https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2020/05/vmware-workstat...

Ah, awesome! That's a good step, I'll give it a try the next time I find myself on Windows.

I'm curious if the seemingly choppy display stuff continues, it has been quite a while.

As much as it pains me, I have to avoid Hyper-V generally for anti-cheat client compatibility

> As much as it pains me, I have to avoid Hyper-V generally for anti-cheat client compatibility

Which anti cheat clients still have trouble with Hyper-V?

ESEA is the one on my mind - service I participate w/ for CS:GO.

Partner of ESL, leagues/practice on servers better than first party (128 tick vs 66)

ref: https://support.esea.net/hc/en-us/articles/360008741974-Erro...

There are others, I think Valorant complained... but I gave up when I couldn't mask it

To expand (I can't edit now)... ESEA anti-cheat is posited as Hyper-V specific, but it's actually against being virtualized in general.

I was able to work around this with KVM on Linux with a GPU passed to a Windows VM.

I tweaked the libvirt XMLs (VM definitions) a few key ways and was able to convince ESEA it's bare metal, but not Valorant. I never got to play it, but it's fine by me :)

This combination works well enough, I only boot up Windows when I need a couple anti-cheats I've managed to trick (that also can't work in Proton)

I know WSL2 only requires a part of Hyper-V to run ("Virtual Machine Platform"). This also allows it to work on Windows Home. I wonder if anti-cheat systems will be able to do there jobs while still allowing WSL2 to be used. I don't know enough about how Hyper-V is used to circumvent anti-cheating.

It's worth noting that there have been reports of performance degradation running VMWare alongside Hyper-V[0]. Don't get me wrong, I love what Microsoft is doing with Windows Hypervisor Platform (WHP/WHPX). There's even experimental support for running accelerated QEMU VMs on Windows Hosts[1]. Hopefully these performance issues improve over time.

[0]: https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Player/...

[1]: https://qemu.weilnetz.de/

Yep, WSL1 is good and sometimes very fast, it’s just not as compatible to linux as WSL 2.

It's more compatible if you want to access a usb or serial port.

WSL2 is like a car that's great in most ways but for some reason just cannot make right turns from one-way streets. You might not encounter that particular situation very often but your car still needs to be able to do it or else it's just an annoying 3/4-baked thing that is better just skipped until it's actually fully functional.

> It's more compatible if you want to access a usb or serial port.

Yep, that's the case I had in mind.

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