The Terayacht Project
pangeosyacht.com
pangeosyacht.com
It's a freakin' gigaturtle folks! There are reasons why real ships don't look like this. Ever. It's exceedingly unlikely that the makers of this site are serious about anything other than selling NFT's and maybe testing the waters with Meta.
Well, I'm really not sure how well this works out considering that the sea is one of the most regulated entities on the globe.
For a sobering read I recommend this article about the Satoshi. "The world's first crypto currency cruise ship" : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/07/disastrous-voya...
For reference, this claims it needs a projected 8 billion in funding, which is around the total estimated size of the nft market.
>WE CAN BUILD IT !
>Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project.
>(None of the below brands are now involved yet in the project)
This text is accompanied by logos of companies which are NOT involved and probably never even heard of this project. I highly doubt they can build anything.
The 8 billion needed to build a monstrosity like that seems possible, but doing it in 8 years? I don't thinks so. There are way too many technical challenges to solve and there is no shipyard in the world which could construct it in one piece. Making it modular, would be possible, but not in this time frame.
And the design for the ship is terrible, no maritime engineer would sign that off.
Without ridiculously expensive structures, the design will break up in heavy seas.
The turtle wings are far, far too thin to bear the loads that will be put on them.
If the power is sufficient for only 5 knots in calm conditions, it will be uncontrollable in bad weather and will only go where the wind blows it.
Aside from the glaring structural issues with the design (I’m sure a naval architect will sort them out on that in the very unlikely that it ever gets to that stage), the site is very shady with simple spelling errors as well as listing companies with their logo that are in no way affiliated with the project in a way that makes it seem like they are already involved and endorse the endeavor.
This comes across as very interested in selling their NFTs , not so much in being sincere, open, or even truthful about the prospects.
As someone who routinely invests in projects with a > 75 percent risk of failure, I would not invest in this project with the intention of ever seeing it completed.
I do agree with the larger issues of maintaining hull integrity. It seems like a riskier investment than beachfront property in Florida.
A) power source? Electric motors so I'm assuming a mix of solar and wind? Or diesel? I'm guessing not nuclear.
B) docking. Can something this large (width more than length) actually be docked? From the shape I'm guessing "mostly no". So provisioning, embarking and so on is done via ferry? In open water? That might be fun. So actually visiting various places (getting off) might be very constrained.
C) dry-docking. I'm going to assume it can only be dry docked in the place it was built. That's fine for planned maintainence, but perhaps a problem if she became unseaworthy far from home.
D) is this a holiday cruise ship? Is it supposed to be permanent residence? If holiday seems like a poor alternative to an actual cruise ship (no / Minimal port docking?). If a permanent residence then it also seems like a poor choice. Limited access to everything (no overnight amazon delivery for you), very limited job opportunities, not sure what it's "exporting" to pay for the fuel. So I'm guessing not self-sustaining, so basically reliant on land for food/fuel? And cash. So permanent if you start mega-rich and don't need money. But if you're mega-rich why go on this thing? Why not just get your own yacht?
Sooo many questions... But ultimately I wonder;
A) who wants this thing? B) can they afford it?
B) I'm sure they can carry fairly large swanky launches / tenders / whatever
C) This is interesting to me also. I suppose you could build a coffer dam around it anywhere you have a large enough shallow harbor. But even conventional large ships spend a lot of their time far away from any shipyard big enough to repair them, maybe it's just an accepted difficulty.
D) The $8-billion question, yes? The page doesn't seem to address this at all. It seems to be one designer's idle fantasy and a bunch of renders.
Can be produced en masse and co2-free by big fission reactors & renewables.
Although having SMRs directly power ships would be cool too.
General consensus is to shit on cruise ships, but I feel they are actually quite efficient. Fitting 5000people, basically entire town on a few hundred square meters is an amazing feat.
1/3 of it is realised, the remaining 2/3 have no apparent future, and all have had horrendous ecological effects
It's also literally a Verne novel from 1895: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_Island
this could be an experimental space ship
there is a lot to learn from this project
i hope they'll succeed
The 'scamming gullible people' industry, you mean?
> this could be an experimental space ship
Dude, this thing is supposed to do a maximum of 5 knots on the surface of the sea. That's a fairly small fraction of the escape velocity, not to mention the whole getting of the ground thing. I suspect it'll end up looking somewhat different if the intention is to launch it into orbit and beyond.
> there is a lot to learn from this project
There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this.
> i hope they'll succeed
To be quite honest, I hope they don't.
> There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this.
learning from logistic management, suply chain challenges, growing stuff on site etc
but you do you, you'll just need to raise your head and watch China conquer planets, you'll probably see their moonbase, and wonder why it's not you instead
this mindset of yours is unfortunate for your peers
>The "UNREAL ESTATE" is a NFT crowdfunding project, by paying in cryptocurrency it is possible to purchase virtually the selected space.
>This will generate an initial budget to step into a more sophisticated augmented reality, the Pangeos metaverse.
LOL
Like I've said before, I am angry at my dumb brain every single day because it is too dumb to come up with ways to scam schmucks out of their money....
Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss.
A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Gotta run. Got pizza to deliver.
Which, of course, they won't.
Not sad to see that bit scrapped.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/01/global-dream-ii-worlds-bigges...
It's a sad story from many angles - technical, environmental, political, economic.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/28788-disney-...
Stick an A1B reactor in her belly and sign me up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor
I usually try to be constructive regarding crazy ideas, but I have spent some time on the ocean and 5kts is a giant red flag for me. I would assume that it could maybe be workable if it stayed hundreds of km away from land/shallows unless accompanied by a flotilla of large tug boats.
Also: "Pangeos will be perpetually itinerant around our planet Earth."
Not sure how they could do that. It is larger than Panamax and Suezmax. The only other choice is going around the southern Capes and that is not something I can imagine doing in a ship limited to anything close to 5kts. The average wind speeds there are around 30kts.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Worldwide-average-wind-s...
Yes, SAIL boats which can configure their sails to move in directions other than downwind.
Just because a boat is slow doesn't mean it can't handle a storm, even more-so with powerboats than sailboats. Case in point, look at old fashioned displacement trollers, e.g. an old wooden salmon troller. These usually have an ~8 knot top speed yet can run directly upwind into a storm for days on end with no problem, at almost exactly the same speed as they would go downwind... because the speed limitation is entirely from the hull speed and not affected by wind. Boats like that have been weathering the worst ocean storms for over a hundred years safely and reliably.
It's like an upscaled version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_monitor_Novgorod except made for parting schmucks from their money instead of serving some military purpose.
(Well, in it's defence it seems at least the submerged part of it has some resemblance to, well, a hull form. Or several hulls bolted together.)
If you only have 5kts of speed to throw at the problem of navigation, you will almost always be getting pushed down wind. Again, this could be resolved with a bunch of very powerful tugs, which I suppose could escort the "ship" through troublesome areas. As in, anywhere near land or shallows.
Say there is a 30 knot wind blowing. You negate 5 knots of that. Now you are moving at a maximum of 25 knots in the wrong direction. Of course, this is limited by the hull speed, but I don't think it's the hull speed that limits this design to 5kts. So say it can get pushed through the water at 10 knots by the insane amount of energy absorbed via windage... that's 240 nautical miles per day. Possibly in the wrong direction! That's 444km or 276 miles. Assuming the wind could blow for 5 days in a direction towards land, that's a lot of distance from shore until the captain is happy.
Even if the hull speed is 5 knots, that's still a big problem once you multiply by time.
Especially if you have tons of space like here.
"The project extend his length for 550 meters" "Once dried the terrain will possible to start preparing the basement area" "This space provide an unsinkable floating solution" "it's capable to guest up to 60,000 accommodations." "Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project."
How are you going to dispose of trash and waste?
It will have to be kept close to shore near a sizable port and have constant stream of supply and waste ferry traffic.
An answer may be found in Mykle Hansen's novella "Crazy Shitting Planet", where the rich live in such structures in the air and just let it all rain on the rest of the world.
Obviously satire, but not really contradicted by the historical record.
Promise something that will never be build but in the mean time sell some NFTs and metaverse stuff?
What monuments are we leaving for future generations? Why isn't anyone building a Great-Pyramid-of-Giza sized project every hundred years?
(It's mostly a stunt to show humanity that we can do great things.)
https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/36667/can-...
Anyway, I'm also going to use kites. (E.g. Imagine the Cloud Nine with a skirt like the Rings of Saturn, rotating, with the individual "cells" of the kite membrane modulated to afford directional control... Or Magnus Effect "cilia" that manipulate the envelope of air around the sphere...)
Currently there is an example of this in carrier groups. These consist of many types of ship that travel together and depend on supply ships. To transfer goods between ships there are specialized cranes that set up cable connections that handle the cargo. Improving this technology so that even basic boats available to the public could make reliable exchanges at sea could really help. Or maybe the solution is to launch and recover small vessels that travel between boats. Only development and experimentation will really tell. In any case, any seagoing enterprise with many people and industries will have to have a great deal of exchange with other vessels or remain close to coastal sources of supplies. It may make more sense to think of this whole enterprise more in terms of logistics than being about structures.
Most of the rich want extreme privacy, they do not desire to life in villages or cities, they want lonely towers on fort like islands or remote bunkers with a view.
Here they do not get this, but they have the same costs as a normal yacht + tax costs to maintain the greater whole.
It does not even provide decoupling from all forms of society, as the underclass necessary to maintain the vessel could rebel. The turtle moves, back to the drawing board.
(Shudder) I just imagined a sci-fi world in which this yacht is built and there are groups of feuding subcultures that live in different parts of the yacht.
Feuding, sort of like that Futurama episode where Bender gets lost in space and ends up hosting a civilization of Lilliputians.
They would even need to build a special construction factory/port, that alone could cost much more than 8 billion.
A giant cruise ship isn't very exciting. Whereas, a floating city where the government employees get to live the same quality of life as the residents would be something interesting.
I feel like there is a more cyberpunk future for cruise lines where once Starlink and remote work is more mature, living aboard one will be economical for a bunch of reasons like land costs, crime, tax domicile, identity. The part in the video with personal quadcopter taxis solves a bunch of dinghy problems
The World (large cruise ship with condominiums) was made for retired seniors, but a bunch of remote employees living on them getting paid electronically and paying for fuel, food, and maintenance is sort of the city state concept that dumber ideas (sovereign stationary sea platforms) got in their own way of implementing. Las Vegas began in a similar way, where it attracted revenue with gambling, where a ship would collect it from residents who made money via remote work. One could even try real socialism on board because in a closed environment it would be sure to work.[*] Maybe we launch a fleet of cruise ships and offer housing to people who can be trained in remote jobs, where each vessel lives under different systems of rule for a year or two, and see how they work out.
Edit: there is almost no public service administration job that could not be done remotely from one of these ships as well.
There is plenty of dignity in sweeping floors, but only if you haven't given up your own basic human dignity first.
lol. i'm having a hard time believing this is anything other than the imaginings of some 15-year-old