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>> You can't get banned from email

> Ask people who get locked out of their gmail account.

And, from the other end, ask people who actually self-host e-mail - not just own the domain, but also run their own mail server. The anti-spam measures of major e-mail providers are, in practice, banning insufficiently determined self-hosters from e-mail.

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come on. its not "that bad". i knew when i started, that outlook and gmail were going to be a problem but i made calls, i had people recieve email on those providers which would go into spam and i would call them to mark as not spam. one time i accidentally sent a bunch of emails with attachments to gmail and got spam. called some people, tomorrow everything was fine.

I've been doing for 2 years now. Mailinabox. occasionally using a one line terminal command to update the system but other than that, smooth sailing.

my only gripe. domain buying/administration should NOT BE THAT HARD for beginners.... its 2023 almost and setting up a domain is very difficult for new users...

i excensively use email alises and filters, something not possible in gmail or others (yahoo mail has that for free) and just that has made the whole thing worthwhile for me.

email aliases are charged an arm and a leg compared to other features but in your own systems, its great

Disclaimer: I work for Cloudflare

iCloud makes it very easy to register a domain through Cloudflare and route email at that domain to your iCloud email: https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/purchase-a-domain-mma...

ok. that looks nice but.... you need to be on icloud+, which limits who can use this.... does cloudflare have an api so that someone like mailinabox could add that to the install script and do all this? or like for mastodon who wants to give users this same functionality? it could be tied to your cloudflare account so you could migrate from one provider or the next?

I don't think there's such an API at the moment but I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the pipeline. I'm very far removed from the Registrar team so I'm not sure what their future plans are.

It really is "that bad". I've been running mailservers for decades now. It really is.

It is impossible to use a VPS from any sizable or affordable VPS servers. The IP blocks from digital-ocean, linode, AWS, OVH, etc all are, have been, or will be randomly put on blacklists. Not the blacklists that you can apply for to be deregistered from. It's sheer impossible to have mail from a mailserver on any such host delivered to hotmail, gmail or such.

It is impossible to run a server at home. "domestic" IP addresses are treated similar to those of affordable VPS providers.

It is expensive to get a clean and proper IP address. It takes years of serious volume to give an address any authority. It takes only one mistake by any of the thousand typists at hotmail or gmail to undo this investment. Without any way to recover from it. None of these large mailproviders have any incentive to improve this: an "engineer" at their end making a "mistake" actually benefits them.

I've ran a mailinabox for as long as the project exists. But I'm sunsetting it moved everything to tutanota (but don't like the service so will move to an alternative in january). I just gave up: the monopolies have won.

https://www.racknerd.com/BlackFriday/

the situation isnt that bad that you make it to be....

i;ve been using them for like 2-3 years now and have had no problems. these are yearly prices so yeah

You can get banned from gmail but not all email. There are plenty of alternatives to Google.

This is a topical distinction if your email address gets banned from sending to gmail. Unless you want to keep changing IP addresses and email addresses to get around it. Gmail/Microsoft host a significant portion of the internets email.

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