The collapse of FTX and Sam Bankman-Fraud is looking quite spicy for journalism
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Maybe we'd just provide more space the scammers and charlatans, I don't know. But lots of people messed up in this thing.
No prominent political pundit is going to see one bit of long-term skepticism after the "Red Wave" stuff of the last couple of weeks. They'll just happily keep going on all the news programs to offer their "expert opinion".
This is all we do and it doesn't really seem to be working. I think the more power someone has, and the more divided our society, the more calling them out elevates them (Trump, Musk, etc)
It's relatively easy to draw a parallel between fossil fuel corporations and the fawning media they paid for and FTX.
Crypto was founded on the notion that central banks were inherently corrupt and that we needed to establish an alternate financial system free from the power of banks. Well, here we are and look at how it's going. Fraud is everywhere and huge institutions are collapsing. This wasn't supposed to happen, but it does because it turns out that people with incredible amounts of money and power, whether backed by a government or not, are not very good at keeping the system in stasis.
How?
I understand the climate impact (and possibly the lies), but equating that to a scam?
Fossil fuels do have a positive impact.
What's he going to do, sue you for libel for saying nothing at all?
Some social movements develop and the person which is perceived as the leader of that social movement becomes popular. And with popularity come free passes.
Now a smart person will make sure not to use free passes because they know that the populace is fickle, their infatuation too shall pass and as soon as it does pass then the backlash is going to be 100 times worse.
So if they do any media they'll do their best to put a stop to the ass-licking in order to make sure that they'll not be using a free pass.
Then you have those who don't care and instead try to accumulate as many free passes as they can, say because they are old and are projected not live to see the crowd turn against them, or for whatever reason.
Luck is also important. Take Nixon and JFK. One conspired against his opponents and the other stole Illinois. Both are very serious crimes, only one got to live to see the truth uncovered and crowd turn against him, the other is hailed as one of the best Presidents.
That is as I already assumed. How is that any different from a bank robber excusing himself by citing the utility of money?
It's about skeptics vs. easily indoctrinated.
Thankfully the proportions are about the same, there are about the same quantity of skeptics as well as easily indoctrinated people among every profession. including journalists. Skeptics however are a reationary bunch they show up with some delay compared to those who are easily indoctrinated.
Also skeptics tend to criticize from 30,000ft whereas easily indoctrinated people have a deep need to elevate a guy and blindly follow him. Journalists who are skeptics were criticizing the whole crypto movement, whereas journalists who are easily indoctrinated were busy elevating SBF, CZ, Musk and every other cult figures in the space.
That's the reason why you can't find skeptical articles on FTX and SBF, the skeptics did not write pieces on that, they were writing pieces critical of the whole movement, whereas easily indoctrinated journalists were low-key intersted in the movement but what they really wanted was to blow SBF, Musk and CZ.
But I think that was mostly just a myth even in the "bad old days" of yellow journalism and newspapers making it big by exposing scandals. Maybe the increase of advertising revenues compared to subscriptions is involved, but deep down people are people and people are manipulatable.
1) You do a bad job at the due diligence and do not review anything beyond the income statement and top-level balance sheet accounts.
2) You turn a blind eye to it because it is favourable to you. Favourable can also be just the outcome of assessing the risk of 'cost of reversing fund diversion practices' vs. 'letting it slide because those diversions yield returns'.
Discovering a fraud when most people at the organization don't know about it and the people who do would like to your face is not a light task!
I'm guessing algebra is difficult for journalists.
> Major investors, with lots of money on the line, also didn't catch this.
Major investors had all the incentives to keep the scam going as they stood to make big money from the scam.
Journalists should have the incentives to expose the scams, except they were not in this ( and probably some other ) case because they were either getting money from the scam or were trying to be the best cheerleaders possible in hope of getting money from the scam.
Not sure what you're saying here? The amount of money the FTX Foundation was distributing was plausible given FTX's fees and volume.
> Major investors had all the incentives to keep the scam going.
That ignores new investors buying in, who I don't think had those incentives?
Only if FTX and its founder found a way to create print money out of the thin air.
> That ignores new investors buying in, who I don't think had those incentives?
New investors are definitely not major investors and even those investors simply want to find an even greater fool.
Two weeks ago I overheard a bartender in a dive bar where beer and a shot goes for $6 telling the regular drunk about all the mad money he is making at FTX. Here's a thing: there's not a single non-scam that would allow a bartender in a dive bar that sells $6 beer and a shot to make gobs of money "investing" or "trading"
It looks like FTX volume was something like $7B/day in July [1].
FTX fee structure [2] was complex, but assuming they got at least 0.04% seems reasonable? In which case they were making ~$3M/day ($7B * 0.04%) or ~$1B/year in fees.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20220725151202/https://www.coing...
[2] https://help.ftx.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024479432-Fees
https://ir.nasdaq.com/news-releases/news-release-details/nas...
Yes? Everyone knew that volume in crypto was too high and likely irrational. But that wasn't much indication that FTX was behaving fraudulently: they seemed to be just doing the straightforward work of helping match buyers and sellers and taking a cut.
> if he has that much time to be a clown what are the odds of him actually running a company
Lots of CEOs seem to do things like this; again that's not a strong signal. Also doesn't have anything to do with algebra.
> without a team?
FTX had several hundred employees
No, everyone knows that the exchange volume in crypto is high and fraudulent. Irrational behavior is not acknowledging it.
> Lots of CEOs seem to do things like this; again that's not a strong signal. Also doesn't have anything to do with algebra.
They do not. There's 24 hours in a day. Excluding 5 hours the CEO "slept", two hours that CEO spent eating and waking up that leaves 17 hours total. Every single activity one engages in subtracts available time for running the company.
> FTX had several hundred employees
FTX "leadership" lived in a single Penthouse in Bahamas, having sex with each other. Fish rots from the head. In this case anyone who did not want to ignore it saw that the head of the fish was rotten.
I agree. But the incentives are gone. A huge portion of the investigative journalism industry died when hard copy newspapers died. A lot of those journalists now work for private industry doing competitive intelligence. They need to pay their mortgage just like software developers do. Very few people pay for hard core journalism now (ads by their nature mainly pay for clickbait, and even then the 'journalist' sees very little of the income)
in the case of FTX its probably easy to. shave customer liabilities without it showing up. probably, this is because they didn't have proper segmentation of client funds. if you have an external entity holding the assets in trust then you need to be doing very dodgy stuff in the company to be hiding customer liabilities. for example even in with a trust account setup you could have part of customer funds being diverted into secret accounts and they don't show up in the liabilities. as an external auditor you can ask to see systems and a paper trail but you are just seeing what people want you to see and if there is a conspiracy to lie then you are fucked. the best you can do is try to get some industry estimates and see if they match or compare to external statistics (like revenue, etc) and hope they have been reported truthfully.
my guess in the case of FTX there probably were red flags like lack of proper segregation and these weren't reported by the external auditor.
You don't want companies to be able to buy other companies? You don't want multinationals? Good luck. Maybe you want a limit on the depth of an ownership tree instead - no more than 3 levels of ownership.
Exchanges that run on them (DEXes like Uniswap, Bisq, ShapeShift, etc.) are completely transparent, providing no room for the kind of information asymmetry which is required for frauds like FTX.
It plays the same way time and time again, another huge example is Theranos.
- Journalists, 2022, while actively killing the entire field of journalism
It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
We are just in the aftermath, where only behemoths like NYT or outlets willing to be domesticated by billionaires can survive.
Sorting out the “good” short sellers from the “bad” is a tough job. One that good financial journalists do as a matter of course.
There are multiple libel and defamation cases in play in almost every competent jurisdiction at any given time.
Defamation and libel cases against journalists regularly pay out. (They pay out infrequently against public figures, in part because the threshold is higher and in part because journalists are more careful with them.)
I believe... Unless you profit by it, you can say what you want to cause share prices to go up or down and it is not a crime.
Is that incorrect?
Activist funds do this every day.
Coindesk found the truth [1]. Binance reacted to it [2] in a way that made people notice.
[1] https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/02/divisions-in-sa...
[2] https://mobile.twitter.com/cz_binance/status/158928342170429...
How is coindesk funded? Rare to see a journalism entity that is so close to crypto be so critical without having to accept ads from the industry.
Find the proof, short BUSD, go public, become a millionaire and do a public service!
But twitter user @Bitfinex'ed (someone who's on a crusade against Tether/Bitfinex since years) described the very scam Alameda and FTX were running before FTX even launched, years ago.
@Bitfinex'ed noticed that SBF had ties with tether from day one. He warned about hundreds of millions of frozen funds (by authorities) on FTX right before FTX raised a billion dollar.
He was warning people not months but years ago.
Anybody who believe this whole Alameda/FTX scam wasn't planned from day one is an useful idiot. The very type of idiot the media is needing right now to sell the "leverage gone wrong for SBF" angle.
There are records of SBF describing the very mechanism he was running with Alameda and FTX before he launched FTX.
Binance saw the real game that SBF was planning: regulatory capture of the crypto exchanges market to get rid of Binance. When evidence impossible to deny came up to light, Binance decided to strike Alameda/FTX to death.
Funnily enough the regulation the ex-CFTC commissioner working for SBF was working on alongside officials may still pass and so Binance may still be totally screwed. But CZ was not going to go down alone and let SBF pull his incredible feat.
CZ wrote stuff like: "Sam isn't a team player", "He's working behind our back to pass legislation that'd prevent us from operate".
In other words: SBF wasn't just a scammer like tether/bitfinex/binance/justin sun etc. SBF was also working, not even in the shadows, to get rid of all of these guys.
No honor among thieves.
So CZ screwed him, very hard.
It made perfect sense to me for Binance to eliminate a rival just for its own sake. But if there is a more specific reason please enlighten me!
Something to be treated with suspicion as the default position?
I guess none of them stopped to think "if you guys are so charitable, then why are you giving this money to journalists like me, rather than to charitable causes?"
Sam Bankman-Fried donated money to a wide variety of causes, the vast majority of which weren't journalists. If you want to read more about where he donated, here's the article where the quote comes from: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/8/8/23150496/effecti...
>"if you guys are so charitable, then why are you giving this money to political candidates and PACs, rather than to charitable causes?"
Obviously those gifts don't excuse SBF's massive fraud! But it's not as if SBF was only donating to political candidates and nothing else.
So I don't think the journalists did anything particularly wrong here. (Unless you think crypto is so sketchy that they should have treated _anyone_ connected to crypto as presumably fraudulent -- in which case, fair, I guess.)
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-11-09/bankma...
[2] https://www.gemini.com/earn says that 1inch is providing 8.05% APY right now
Issuing bonds to pay off old debt is not a ponzi because the premise that you will lose your money if the company defaults is known and evaluated up front. And the yield on the bond is commensurate with the risk.
There is no reasonable expectation that an exchange will gamble and possibly lose the money you deposit
> SBF: (26:43) And they’re like ‘10X’ that's insane. 1X is the norm.’ And so then, you know, X token price goes way up. And now it's $130 million market cap token because of, you know, the bullishness of people's usage of the box. And now all of a sudden of course, the smart money's like, oh, wow, this thing's now yielding like 60% a year in X tokens. Of course I'll take my 60% yield, right? So they go and pour another $300 million in the box and you get a psych and then it goes to infinity. And then everyone makes money.
> Matt: (27:13) I think of myself as like a fairly cynical person. And that was so much more cynical than how I would've described farming. You're just like, well, I'm in the Ponzi business and it's pretty good.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/sam-bankm...
In fact he says he came out of that podcast bullish on SBF and ftx.
People sometimes assume that I am a sort of antagonist to Bankman-Fried, in part because he has sometimes said things in our talks that are … let’s say surprisingly candid. Most notably, people keep bringing up an Odd Lots podcast from last August in which I asked him to explain yield farming. His explanation starts:
>You start with a company that builds a box and in practice this box, they probably dress it up to look like a life-changing, you know, world-altering protocol that's gonna replace all the big banks in 38 days or whatever. Maybe for now actually ignore what it does or pretend it does literally nothing. It's just a box. So what this protocol is, it's called ‘Protocol X,’ it's a box, and you take a token. You can take ethereum, you can put it in the box and you take it out of the box. Alright so, you put it into the box and you get like, you know, an IOU for having put it in the box and then you can redeem that IOU back out for the token.
And at some point I interject:
>I think of myself as like a fairly cynical person. And that was so much more cynical than how I would've described farming. You're just like, well, I'm in the Ponzi business and it's pretty good.
And he replies:
>So on the one hand, I think that’s a pretty reasonable response, but let me play around with this a little bit. Because that's one framing of this. And I think there's like a sort of depressing amount of validity. …
>So you've got this box and it’s kind of dumb, but like what's the end game, right? This box is worth zero obviously. … But on the other hand, if everyone kind of now thinks that this box token is worth about a billion dollar market cap, that's what people are pricing it at and sort of has that market cap. Everyone's gonna mark to market. In fact, you can even finance this, right? You put X token in a borrow lending protocol and borrow dollars with it. If you think it's worth like [not] less than two thirds of that, you could even just like put some in there, take the dollars out. Never, you know, give the dollars back. You just get liquidated eventually. And it is sort of like real monetizable stuff in some senses. And you know, at some point if the world never decides that we are wrong about this in like a coordinated way, right? Like you're kind of the guy calling and saying, no, this thing's actually worthless, but in what sense are you right?
People on Twitter now are like “he admitted that FTX is a Ponzi!” but of course that’s not true. He conceded a certain validity to my claim that some crypto businesses — not his — are Ponzis. He is just in the business of trading their tokens.
In fact, I came away from that conversation bullish on FTX and Bankman-Fried. My view was, and is, that if you talk to a crypto exchange operator and he is like “crypto is changing the world, your old-fashioned economics are just FUD, HODL,” then that’s bad. A wild-eyed crypto true believer is not the person to operate an exchange. The person you want operating an exchange is a clear-eyed trader. You want someone whose basic attitude to financial assets is, like, “if someone wants to buy and someone wants to sell, I will put them together and collect a fee.” You want someone whose perspective is driven by markets, not ideology, who cares about risk, not futurism. A certain cynicism about the products he is trading is probably healthy.
That said, knowing what we know now, this seems prophetic:
>But on the other hand, if everyone kind of now thinks that this box token is worth about a billion dollar market cap, that's what people are pricing it at and sort of has that market cap. Everyone's gonna mark to market. In fact, you can even finance this, right? You put X token in a borrow lending protocol and borrow dollars with it. If you think it's worth like [not] less than two thirds of that, you could even just like put some in there, take the dollars out. Never, you know, give the dollars back.
A popular theory about what happened to FTX — the one I wrote about above, and yesterday — is that FTX issued its FTT token, and it had a market price, and Alameda got a lot of it, and FTX loaned Alameda money against it, and then Zhao was “the guy calling and saying, no, this thing’s actually worthless,” and Alameda could “never, you know, give the dollars back,” and that was the end of FTX.
IMHO, the moral failing is simply being too credulous of SBF's claims and not digging deeper. A lot of the stuff getting posted in the aftermath was content already available before FTX collapsed. In particular, the conversation with Matt Levine where SBF basically describes a Ponzi scheme comes to mind.
Many scams end up operating as a Ponzi scheme in their final days as it keeps them afloat a bit longer, but the actual scammy loss is often not a Ponzi.
FTX can't be a scam--that's basically how Fed and Treasury work.