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I don't know exactly where Cynthia was at on which spectrums, but this reminds me a lot of the female-phenotype of autism (surprisingly different from male autism, one reason why it's under diagnosed). I say this as an autistic person with a combined type having some generally male exclusive and some female exclusive traits. I developed as nonbinary so it took me a while to realize I was autistic, even after learning I was nonbinary.
Before I knew I was nonbinary, I thought I was NT. Because "that's not autism'!
Anywho, interesting stuff. I've found the book "Women and Girls with Autism Spectrum Disorder" to shed a really helpful light on the subject, and would definitely recommend it if you have autistic female family members, are questioning but don't think it's right because "it doesn't fit me", or may be a combined type (oftentimes spectrum people don't develop according to standard gender binaries, ya see.)
Happy for any questions, this story was heartwarming and I didn't bob in the toilet but Ive had my oddities growing up! ;D
P.S.: I use "Pee Pee" all the time, and it made me so happy to see 'Starfish and Pee Pee' when I was skimming the article before figuring out the topic. I'm still giggling 30 minutes later. :) XD
>> I say this as an autistic person with a combined type having some generally male exclusive and some female exclusive traits.
Are you referring to non-exclusive "traits" when describing how you have both male and female traits? I was a bit confused about the "female phonotype" part of your response as it implies having traits through genetics at birth.
Or am I misunderstandings and such gender-specific traits are developed through environmental/societal conditions?
It's a bit hard without going into explicit detail, but to set the stage, generally speaking, my brain tends to effectively operate in two different parts. There's still decent physical coordination and such, but there are a few external signs of that. One is that if I'm listening to music that sends shivers down my spine and gives me goosebumps, maybe 70% of the time it'll be exclusively on the right side of my body, while the left is completely normal.
Additionally, if I relax my face muscles from "social face" to "comfortable resting face", if you took a picture and looked at each half in isolation, you can see a variety of differences in my comfortable resting face that seems to have stayed consistent across a variety of conditions.
I once had a massage therapist, extremely confused, pause, then comment on how my left side seemed relaxed and normal, and on my right, the muscles were tenser, I apparently jumped when she touched me (I hadn't noticed it but believed her), and was shaking. That part of me had had some bad experiences when I was very young. But, stress aside, it was cool to me as a kind of confirmation of something I'd felt was too "weird" for me, to be true.
Now, the above is a setup for a comment on phenotypes. In this case, I'm using the definition of phenotype as "Phenotype...refers to the individual’s inherited physical characteristics, which are a combination of genetic and environmental influences", from https://courses.lumenlearning.com/waymaker-psychology/chapte... .
Whether or not autism as well as gender differentiation (a diversity common in autistic individuals) is genetic, I can't say. I'd personally lean towards early life developmental factors (especially neonatal) with genetically predisposing factors as well.
Now on to the combined factors. I was becoming more confident about having male autism, but when the other half of my brain had more of a say in things, in addition to a much more generally feminine identity, I saw a lot of prosocial and seemingly nonautistic traits. This I felt was baffling and uncomfortable, because autism tends to have a very strong physiological component, and maybe this would mean it was something else that looked like autism. How else could something like that be partitioned? I felt distressed.
Learning what feminine autism looks like was a breath of fresh air and relief to me, as so many oddly specific things apply to that side of me. It also answered a lot of questions and removed barriers to letting go of some shame that I didn't know was there. I've had problems with social things at times, but I can be very sociable and well-liked, similar to how the feminine autistic phenotype is (and how they fly under the radar). I'm finally able to start getting past my denial of having these intrinsic limitations that seemed to clash with what I thought was my capability. It's also a hole I felt was there but didn't know what the question was to get there.
I hope this answers your question, you can see this (among other things) is something I feel passionate about. You can check my post history or ask any follow-up questions if you're interested in more like this.
As a side note, most of my friends are girls or feminine/femme-leaning individuals, because the male side of me likes people but is content to be introverted and keep doing neural network stuff or voraciously studying some new or esoteric like I have for a while.
By the way, all of the above is a good example of a number of elements of the male autistic phenotype. In my first message, you can see hints of both.
If you're a fan of Prince or audio production and engineering, you want to watch that interview, or read the transcript (https://tapeop.com/interviews/117/susan-rogers/). Trust me on this. This is someone whose work and life/career stories deserve much wider attention.
(Edit: actually these are two different interviews, and I'm only familiar with the one in the transcript.)
Grooving on Prince as a muppet.
I never really could make sense of this verse?
Cynthia wore the prettiest dress
With different color socks
Sometimes, I wondered
If the mates were in her lunch box
Me and Lucy opened it
When Cynthia wasn't around
Lucy cried, I almost died
You know what we found?
'mates' in her lunch box? What does that even mean?
I used to assume that the suprise in the lunch box was that it was empty. And the song was about a whimsical girl in difficult circumstances using her imagination to get around a shitty home life and not enough food.
But now I know its about a neurodivergent child. But in that case, what was in the lunch box?
Still it doesn't make much sense. If someone's wearing odd socks they obviously put them on at home. Why would they be in the lunchbox. And what was in the lunchbox that made Lucy cry?
Also thinking about it, coffee is a weird thing for a kid at school to wish for. I think that was another reason I suspected Prince had embellished it. Kids will make up yummy or fantastic things to eat but coffee is unlikely to be one.
Obviously if it was called Starfish and Pee Pee it would have been unlikely to be regarded as such a classic song. Prince knew what he was doing in the poetry sense but not in the 'realistic things for kids to talk about' sense.
I bet 'side order of ham' is by prince too.
Starfish and coffee Maple syrup and jam Butterscotch clouds, a tangerine And a side order of ham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_o'_the_Times#Track_listin...
Hearing that Cynthia Rose was actually real is quite a surprise to me - so much of the lyrics border on nonsensical that I’d always assumed it was a work of fiction and surrealism.
Prince inspired me to pick up a guitar many years ago, and to self produce music. I'm very thankful for that inspiration, it's the one thing keeping me sane in this crazy world.
Dorothy Parker is another great visual tune by them as well.
Hard to tell, but it seems like Cynthia may have had something like Williams Syndrome based on some of the descriptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_syndrome
The stories that both have from their tenures with Prince could fill several very readable tomes.
the world needs more people like prince, cynthia rose, and susannah melvoin. it would make life richer
I'm not advocating for more childishness in public - it is genuinely distracting - or for more childishness in serious situations - or for being inappropriate in mean ways - but maybe it's OK to just have fun. Make a fart noise every once in a while. Sing in the shower, or while you vacuum, or whatever. Make motorcycle noises while you're riding your bike. Flap your arms when you run.
You ever been to Asia?
Life’s too short to take yourself seriously. Sometimes it’s the little things that makes life enjoyable.
Not really sure which cultures you’re assuming aren’t that way - Asian and African culture don’t tend to have a lot of childishness either..
> universal tendency with cultural expression.
There is no single "culture of America"
Does any country have just a single culture? Maybe the Vatican or San marino?
https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/13/ask-andrew-w-k-whats...
It seems to me that people often equate intelligence with seriousness, and stupidity with playfulness. These people also tend to overvalue a sort of stoic distance and lack of excitement and enthusiasm as somehow being a sign of wisdom and advanced thinking. An austere and somber attitude doesn’t make someone smarter or more intellectual. Sometimes people are overly serious because they’re afraid of looking unkempt, unimportant, uneducated — they fear they’ll “make a fool out of themselves” if they don’t remain dour and stiff. In my opinion, if more people aspired to the level of life-mastery and self-actualization that a true fool has attained, there’d be much less conflict in the world.
When I look at the coping skills of adults in the world en masse, I see different ... I certainly don't see better. Some of the good parts may be missing. The word 'childish' makes a very crappy pejorative. I'd even call it the 'C word'.