Calling that bill an "abortion ban" is misleadingly overstating it. IIRC, it didn't ban all abortions, just those after 16 weeks (after the first trimester?).
Graham introduced a 15-week limit on abortions, not an outright ban: https://www.dailywire.com/news/sen-lindsey-graham-introduces...
15 weeks is similar to the limit in France and most European countries, which lean far more left than the U.S: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_France
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe
France only allows abortions up to 14 weeks unless doctors certify the mother's life is a risk. Graham's bill similarly "offers exceptions for rape, incest, and the protection of the life of a mother during pregnancy." And The bill also "prohibits the prosecution of women who seek abortions."
The point is: framing the proposed law as a "ban" is disingenuous because no one thinks abortion is banned in Europe, and yet this law is completely in line with European abortion policy. But dishonest framing is what the democrat party is all about, unfortunately.
The reality is that abortion gets more obviously bad for both humans involved the later the abortion occurs.
https://www.liveaction.org/news/researchers-abortionists-abo...
"That study found that a woman’s risk of death from abortion increased by 38% for each additional week of gestation. Compared to women who underwent abortions at or before eight weeks (two months), women who underwent abortions in the second trimester were found to be “significantly more likely to die of abortion-related causes.” The results showed that “[u]p to 87% of deaths in women who chose to terminate their pregnancies after 8 weeks of gestation may have been avoidable if these women had accessed abortion services before 8 weeks of gestation.”"
And from the baby's perspective:
https://www.operationrescue.org/about-abortion/late-term-abo...
"a lethal dose of the heart medication Digoxin is injected into the baby’s heart or into the amniotic fluid directly through the woman’s abdomen. (Potassium chloride is infrequently substituted for Digoxin.) Digoxin gives the baby a fatal heart attack."
Not exactly a peaceful or painless way to die! However, the alternative method, dismemberment, is even worse!
https://www.frc.org/dismembermentabortion
If you want to abort, you should do it quickly, both to cut down on your own risks and to limit the pain and suffering of the human whose life you are ending. I would not like to experience death by heart attack or dismemberment either, if I can avoid it. And laws that protect the health of its citizens are clearly in scope. A late-term ban protects the health of adult women. That's one of the reasons these restrictions exist in other parts of the world.
I’m not French lmao, I don’t care what the French are doing. It’s not my job to decide what’s right for them.
> So much deception and lies. This is par for the course with the Democrat party, unfortunately.
Ok
> I don't know how anyone could support a late-term abortion after learning how the operation is actually performed!
Who is supporting this? Are you implying that I’m supporting this? That sounds like some of that good old FUD you were talking about.
> France only allows abortions up to 14 weeks unless doctors certify the mother's life is a risk. Graham's bill similarly "offers exceptions for rape, incest, and the protection of the life of a mother during pregnancy. The bill also prohibits the prosecution of women who seek abortions."
Are France and the US suddenly the same country or something? What France does is irrelevant.
And let's not pretend the abortionists think otherwise. When Ireland had banned abortions, activists sent ships there to give abortion services in international waters. What happens in the rest of the world affects everyone indirectly.
> Who is supporting this? Are you implying that I’m supporting this? That sounds like some of that good old FUD you were talking about.
You implied lots of people supported it with this very statement: "was certainly on the mind of all the people who voted against the Republican party this election".
So, no. Nothing I said was FUD at all. Sorry! You lost that one.
Ah. It was already clear that you weren’t arguing in good faith, but this attempt at twisting my words seals it. At the end of the day, it’s clear from the results of the election that American women and citizens in general have rejected these abortion bans, “limits” and restrictions on their personal freedoms. That is made especially clear in the states that had specific referendums on anti-abortion amendments like Kentucky where they failed overwhelmingly.
Americans do not want Republicans placing restrictions on abortion, no matter what legally irrelevant European countries do or have done. I will not be replying further, have a good day.
You in the next sentence: what you said is 100% correct. I did imply that people don't support limits on late-term abortion, and, in fact, the outcome of the midterms proves my implication!
I seriously wonder what was going through your head when you typed that up. If that's the quality of response you have to offer, then, yes, you should stop replying!
What's the punishment for getting an "illegal" abortion?
If you want to quibble over the frothy middle ground of abortion like we did for the last 50 years, have at it. Many, many actual politicians and candidates floated some very extreme ideas about reproductive freedom.
If you were out there pushing back on everyone saying "life begins at conception" or "death penalty for women who get abortions" then we can talk.
I'd recommend in the topic of abortion to not use absolutes, in this case you are also stating you are against abortions in case of rape, when a fetus is missing vital organs (brain, heart, etc.) and so on...
Also worth mentioning that depending on one's reasons / world view, those distinctions may or may not be significant.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_H....
Not the same thing.
You said it's banned. It's not. That's not semantics, that's cut and dry.
What was done is a current supreme court reversed a precedent that was created by a older supreme court. Roe v Wade. This precedent should never have been created in the first place, it was a violation of powers. If we want to force states into making it legal then that must be done at a legislative level.
Imagine if the current supreme court just said "nope abortions are illegal because constitution says murder is wrong somewhere and the founders didn't like abortion.". It has just as much merit. Therefore we must ensure they don't have the power. Regardless of whether we consider the result right or wrong.