Tesla Is Recalling 40k Cars in Its 17th Recall of the Year
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For some reason recalls are mostly only news when they're about Tesla. I guess it generates clicks?
But then Tesla supporters cry when they’re singled out for recalls?
It swings both ways
Edit: not to mention the constant lying - sorry, artistic license in marketing - about the abilities of automated vehicles. But calling this a “recall”? Wahhhh.
All cars are depreciating assets.
Are you saying a Tesla depreciates faster than cars in general?
I have the impression that the opposite is true.
How about just wanting to be objective and not misleading?
Also, to some degree Tesla did deliver electric car revolution by creating some of the first actually desirable BEVs, eventually forcing major car companies to do the same.
(Nissan Leaf et al sure contributed a lot as well, but that's irrelevant for this discussion.)
Summon and Self-driving not included in that expectation? Not even for people who bought based on the marketing?
The question is, how does that justify excessive subjectivity and misleading exposure on completely unrelated issues?
I'd reckon a lot of sports 'fanatics' don't even like the sport that much, or at least not as much as the crowd they're hanging with, or the 'tribe'.
It's the same for apple fan boys - android is just as good (sometimes better), political fanboys who worship Trump, and ignore the bad. I mean if someone I 'like' verses 'adore' does something shitty - I tend to reverse course on my opinion.
I used to be a big fan of Musk, especially with regards to spacex, but the man's personality has soured me.
People who need to be in a tribe - have a need to have someone tell them how to act/behave I think they may have some psychological trauma that draws them to that, it's the only thing that explains it.
Personally I ask myself often if I'm doing something because I really like it, because it's expected, or others are doing it. I find I then try and do what's not popular especially if it's a better choice anyways. Dead Poet's society is a favorite movie of mine, and the part where they learn about the dangers of conformity always stuck with me, and has become a core value.
How does that user experience compare to Tesla repairs?
Tesla: made an appointment on the app at a time that worked for me (about a week out). Drove in, parked the car, walked away in under 5 minutes. App notifies me I've got a $100 per ride Uber credit to get back to work/home. Repair is completed in about 5 hours, I get a call and notification that the work is done.
Honda: airbag recall - the dealership can't tell me when it'll be finished, offers to buy my car because "it's not safe anymore anyways", high pressure sales tactics while I wait to drop off / sign in. Repair takes two days, no loaner vehicle or drop-off shuttle. Three weeks after I pick up my car the airbag light starts flashing intermittently. I bring the car back, they tell me it'll be $2300 to "investigate" and could take a few days. If they find it was due to the recall repair work I might not be charged, but if there's any hint it was something else I'll need to pay for that repair (in addition to the investigation).
https://www.manufacturing.net/automotive/news/13120295/honda...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/05/us/honda-airbag-exploded-kill...
I still consider Toyota to be a high-quality, trustworthy brand
every car company has recalls
E.g. Ford recalled 200k SUVs alone due to fire risk: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-r...
In Ford’s case, it seems like a recall involved a dealer checking for a manufacturing defect.
Today, there is software that can and does go wrong... Maybe moreso than the physical... But the regulatory environment hasn't kept pace with the technology.
So software issues like this must still be called a recall and communicated as such. Unfortunately, the connotation of a severe issue requiring the physical product is also lagging in the culture, thus stories like the one posted about a software update delivered over the air
Also, voluntary recalls should be celebrated.
it kind of like in the NFL, "injured reserve" used to mean the player cant play again for the rest of the season. then they changed it to 4 weeks, so now you hear a player "is going on IR" and it's not clear what that actually means.
People are becoming more aware of the impact of all that "crap nobody is willing to let you see", and it is, in my estimation, a good thing.
I suppose it's not a pure software issue, but a combination of hardware and software issues in exceptional circumstances like potholes and rough movements.
I would not call it exceptional.
I never claimed otherwise.
The engineers' original model of function was faulty, and should've included rough surfaces/potholes. But since it (obviously) didn't, that makes rough surfaces/potholes an exceptional circumstance in the context of their model.
Hat tip to Elon, it’s a tough trick.
Alternative headline:
"Tesla is improving their cars for the 17th time this year, at no cost to owners"
While not a recall in the sense of having to surrender your car back to an official shop, this is far from an improvement. It's reasonable to expect any car built in the last 50 years to operate as normal after hitting a pothole.
If you are not moving, you are literally grinding the tires into the pavement with the entire weight of the car on them, if you are rolling it is easier.
It'll still be very hard.
Same failure mode, though.
The brakes on the Prius stopped working if you hit a bump or pothole, which is a pretty similar issue.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls/vehicle-safety-recalls-week
It's reasonable to expect any car built in the last 50 years to have "recalls" such as this. Most, won't be fixed over an OTA update like this. Instead, you'd have to take it into the dealership and waste time that way.
This has been fixed already OTA.
Low profile sidewalls beg to differ.
I think OTA recall implementations are a terrific innovation, and far better than the old system of taking your car to a dealership (though the other automakers are adapting - I got a call the other day offering to send a tech to my house to apply the fix for a recall on my car). But fixing a defect in the car at the manufacturer’s expense is, quite literally, the bare minimum required.
It is a formal notice of a safety defect by a manufacturer to all affected parties that they have a defective product. It identifies the nature of the problem, the consequences of the problem, the affected parties, and the known remedy or steps the affected parties should take. It also requires the fixes to be offered to all affected parties free of charge.
A recall is supposed to be issued in all cases that a safety defect is detected to guarantee that all customers are informed of potential problems and that the manufacturers are on the hook for solving them.
"According to [Tesla], the affected cars have problems with their power-steering assist system when driving on rough roads or after hitting a pothole. The issue would leave drivers without the assistance to move the steering wheel with the help of the electric technology, forcing drivers to use a lot of force to move the steering wheel and increasing the likelihood of crashes, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)."
"The problem began when Tesla rolled out an update for a new calibration value for their electronic power assist steering system only to have alerts about the update a week later, according to the NHTSA.
Tesla has released a firmware update to recalibrate the issue already. According to Tesla, 97% of the recalled vehicles had an update installed that addressed the issue. There have been no official reports of injury linked to the potential loss of steering assistance."
Also, FTA:
“The problem began when Tesla rolled out an update for a new calibration value for their electronic power assist steering system only to have alerts about the update a week later, according to the NHTSA.
Tesla has released a firmware update to recalibrate the issue already”
So, Tesla claims otherwise. Power steering ¿nowadays? isn’t simply “multiply the force the driver exerts”. You want to use the same hardware for lane assist, for example. That certainly involves software. I don’t know how potholes would interact with that, but I do not see any reason this must also involve a hardware change.
OTA is truly an innovation! Screw doing our own testing in house, just push it to users and then hurry out a patch if they notice anything!