Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again
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If I'm not mistaken, here's the bench - https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2749468,12.270221,3a,60y,141... .
While it's right by the Olidan Hydroelectric Power Station, the photographer used a telephoto lens so Rosa Mannen is in the foreground and the upstream Hojum Hydroelectric Power Station is in the background. Here's a closer shot of Hojum:
https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2789593,12.2774802,3a,75y,21...
I read it but didn't realize it was in Swedish. I mean, I did, but didn't realize HN linked to an article in Swedish and that others here might not read Swedish.
"Everyone in Africa can read Swedish." - Mean Girls.
And for Swedes you can watch a short interview with him on Swedish Televison in the first 8 minutes of this program: https://www.svtplay.se/video/33989650/sverige/sverige-sasong...
The program above is from the last shutdown and the example given there about his most popular clip was a very old show of Bonnie Tyler. SVT, at the time, made the clip available officially via SVT Play again but has since disappeared from their service almost as a reminder that culture will disappear from the public unless enthusiast like Rosa Mannen can make them available somewhere.
Lots of opinions about SVT (as there should be, it’s public!) but if you ask me, it’s super high quality and it’s something that I’m very proud of, as someone from Sweden.
Happy to fund it with my tax money, independent public service is important, and honestly I'm using it more than Netflix and HBO and the rest.
It's not like På Spåret is going to be sold abroad anyway.
That doesn’t explain why my kids can’t watch Beppes Godnattstund while we are abroad though.
For non-swedes, this is a show about a old guy who lives in a bed with a bunch of little girl dolls who need to go to the toilet all of the time.
5 dollar/month VPN. NOT BLOCKED BY SVTPLAY KK.
As a first step, I wouldn't mind it if countries generally adopted a system where anyone in the world could simply pay for access at a rate comparable to the public TV tax.
The obvious downside of this system is that it would be expensive for certain networks (sorry Norway TV fans) but it would get the ball rolling.
And on his desk… an AMIGA 1200. Seems fitting.
I remember seeing his name several times in old videos I watched in YouTube, although right now I can’t remember which those videos were.
Unfortunately, we are still relying on a couple of companies as the main custodians of our recorded history. This can't be good and we'll keep receiving sad news about content vanishing from the Internet from one day to the other.
Sadly, we often seem to learn of a treasure trove of content when it makes the news for having already been taken down.
Right now there's some hope that some Swedish organisation, The Internet Archive, maybe even YouTube, can step in and save the work. Then again there's a risk that no one can help.
It is not much different that people building a community on Facebook, because it's easy, it gives them a ready made platform. An easy to use platform. Then they're surprised when Facebook close their account for violating a policy that was always there, but they never actually read Facebooks terms and condition (which I can understand).
I'm sorry it happened to the guy, but you're right: "What did you think would happen?" The only surprise is that it didn't happen earlier.
Well, it sort of does because copyright laws have carve outs for libraries and archiving.
That's before you even get into issues of Youtube's aggressive compression
Archive.org is the right place for it.
Particularly, I believe Jeff Quitney's channel (which was mostly old aerospace videos made by the US government, but was generally for whatever old film he got his hands on) got banned because some of the videos were old political propaganda which expressed views which are now verboten.
And even then, nothing is ever really deleted, just non-visible, for now…
You can find (most of?) his videos here now: https://archive.org/download/Jeff_Quitney_me
It's pretty sad that even marginal, plainly non-commercial work of an archival nature isn't left alone.
I bet whatever songs got him banned were in the public domain, but ContentID thought it sounded too much like a copyrighted recording of the same song. This sort of thing happens all the time to musicians who upload themselves playing classical songs. It's infuriating.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/amren.com
Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.
No reason or explanation given, or hint at who excluded it.
I am suggesting he upload the files directly.
Are the content owners complaining about a desire to be archived but IA is blocking them? As if not, I don't see the issue.
I'm sure there's some guideline somewhere giving themselves blanket excuse to do anything they want, then hide behind secrecy and hope people will assume the best. What I'm not sure is why such duplicity being "standard" makes it any better.
Yes, they are legally required to listen to the copyright owner's request. In your linked example, that was the church of scientology. In your earlier post, that would be whoever was writing the tweets. Twitter could also choose to block their requests as the wayback machine would also grab their copyrighted code, but choose not to.
You're making a documented legal requirement sound like a shady partisanship. Unless there are examples of these people wanting their content archived and the IA refusing, I don't see your point. Anybody is free to tell the IA not to archive their copyright material.
Unless keeping the cause of removal secret is also a legal requirement, then this is by definition shady. And you assume that because some removals are results of legal complaints, then all are. It is Archive's choice to keep us in the dark regarding removals, and it is our choice not to trust them for it.
We aren't being kept in the dark, we know the reason some content is unarchived and they say which content is unarchived.
Your complaint is like going to a store with posted hours after closing and demanding an explanation for why they aren't letting you in. It's possible there's some vast conspiracy to block you from shopping, bit it's more likely they're following the posted rules.
Because of their deliberate policy of secrecy that forces you to assume, instead of know. As this is the 3rd time I repeat this same point, it will also be the last.
https://www.amren.com/robots.txt
User-agent: ia_archiver
Disallow: /
[1] https://www.foxnews.com/media/taylor-lorenz-twitter-page-exc...
[2] https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-som...
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
This type of archival work is very important for us interested in current & recent culture (This probably is all of us in some sense).
There's so many cool archival efforts going on that unfortunatley seem to rely on youtube.
As a nostalgic swede, i found this one recently.
Its a mad ** archive of all of the early underground swedish hiphop.
Much respect to media hoarders of all creeds.
Sorry.