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(EDIT: No it's not) This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. First mentioned on HN many years ago.

I'm very into this stuff. I was into scuttlebutt long before bluesky was announced even.

But the problem I see is that with ActivityPub I already have a whole ecosystem of software and libraries, while with ssbc I have no idea where to even start. When ssbc was first announced I tried using it briefly but it was very basic, I hope they've come further.

With the fediverse I can literally jump straight into a container and have an instance running within minutes.

Is there an equivalent to activitypub.rocks for sscb?

https://ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-protocol-guide/ maybe this guide.

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> This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering.

Bluesky is not related to secure scuttlebutt, they are working on a new protocol currently called "AT Protocol". https://atproto.com

ATP is mainly federated so a bit closer to mastodon/matrix than SSB which is quite a bit more decentralized iirc. Do check out their docs, it's a work in progress but should give you a better insight to what they're doing.

I stand corrected. I thought I read at some point that bluesky was SSB.

I’m working on bluesky and previously worked on SSB, that might be what you read

I've looked hard at the Activity Pub protocol, as well as Mastodon in the last week, and this new protocol SUPPOSEDLY has a number of advantages.

1) you can move your identity from the gitgo. Yeah, sure, AP allegedly allows this, but your are at the mercy of the server owners to cooperate. Assuming, of course, the server even is still reachable. And even then, recent (last 5 months) there are numerous examples of transfers failing badly.

2) This protocol doesn't force you to trust that the server admins aren't reading your messages. This is not the case with AP.

3) The relay system, whereby to get notices from other communities, is wildly broken, and the two largest Mastodon servers don't even support them.

I'm as skeptical of Mr. Dorsey as anyone, and the community absolutely deserves the right to see deep into this protocol. That said, implying that Activity Pub meets or beats everything this new protocol offers is not correct.

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