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It's funny comparing the reviews on product hunt[1] to HN. The former has average people and artists - probably the target audience - favoring the product and then there's HN where people are so low commital that they don't even want to sign in or try a different browser.

Anyways, I actually tried it out and... I don't really get it. I would find it frustrating to use when blender is so much snappier and more powerful. I do like the process of using metaballs for design and a lot of whatever the tech is. But I am also surprised at how much effort went into this when this seems really really niche. Someone else linked a video [2] where there's a project with so many layers... bro just use an actual 3d app at that point.

Also that landing page is horrible.

[1] https://www.producthunt.com/posts/womp-2?utm_source=badge-fe...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DnRehtfCbo

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The main value of using SDF shapes for 3D modeling workflows is you don't have to worry about topology (the vertex, edge, face graph structure which has to be formed over the surface of all 3D models) which makes a lot of modifiers (like boolean combinations of intersecting objects) vastly less tedious (Womp calls this feature "goop").

Right now Blender work still involves a lot of tedium, mostly related to topology. A lot of upcoming 3D ML applications also work considerably better when using SDF instead of mesh representations. I wouldn't be surprised to see this form of 3D modeling take off to a significant degree because of those two factors.

You can throw a voxel remesh modifier onto your model in Blender to get the same functionality. It will convert your model from polygons to SDF and then back to polygons.

I would imagine that's a fairly lossy process with some downsides?

Ideally - the end result of an SDF pipeline is pixels. Going back to polygons throws away much of the advantage of SDFs. Raymarching is costly and rarely used in realtime engines but Blender isn't realtime so rendering SDFs directly would probably be viable.

> Raymarching is costly and rarely used in realtime engines but Blender isn't realtime so rendering SDFs directly would probably be viable.

The viewport still needs to update in real time for it to be a viable modeling workflow, though, right?

It's a lot easier to handle realtime in an editor than in a fully featured game. There's less other stuff going on, you can take extra shortcuts and usually rely on higher-end hardware.

> It's a lot easier to handle realtime in an editor than in a fully featured game. There's less other stuff going on

I don't think that's true. Most games are optimized to limit the number of draw calls and textures. The viewport of a 3D software package has no such limits. As a result, my viewport rarely runs as well as the games I play.

In any case, that's besides the original point, which was that it wouldn't need to run in realtime. My argument was that it would.

It's not a completely impossible goal. Look into what some artists are making with Dreams on the PS4. It uses raymarched SDFs for modeling.

Point taken.

Small correction - Dreams isn't purely Raymarched SDFs. From recollection they ended up with a fairly hybrid approach.

I haven't read much about it to be honest. I know they must be doing something clever under the hood to make it run so we'll on that hardware.

Blender sort of has them...

There was the original metaballs. But more recently there's also been sdf addons using geometry nodes [1] that mimic the same workflow - with my guess being that it uses voxels to generate the final polygon mesh that blender needs since it's not a fully sdf editor. Although, while I was googling this, I did find someone that managed to do it by using pure shaders [2] which is pretty cool.

Also, thanks for actually explaining that. I've seen a few examples of this kind of "clay like" sculpting approach that tries to make it easier for artists. Adobe's Modeler uses sdfs for example.

[1] https://blenderartists.org/t/geometry-nodes-in-3-3-sdf-prese...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqDCPW85tuQ

Blender already has metaballs. It's just not user friendly or multiplayer

Interestingly most folks think of 3d modeling as quad modeling/subdivision surfaces, but Toy Story 1 was done completely with NURBs (also supported by blender)

> Anyways, I actually tried it out and... I don't really get it. I would find it frustrating to use when blender is so much snappier and more powerful.

Why would anyone use Canva when there are plenty of other more powerful options?

I believe the answer is that it is simple and not scary for people to learn, and that there is a large number of people who could use this and create something that looks pretty good but that would be intimdated with Blender and have no clue where to start. Blender isn't really designed for a casual user to be able to pick it up and understand it in 10 minutes.

That video is rather illuminating that this is definitely not an application that my grandmother could use.

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