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CERN Press Release: Higgs Search Update

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So the gist is: Both experiments at LHC looking for the Higgs (CMS and ATLAS) see a bump at an energy of around 125GeV, but neither have enough data to conclusively proove or disproove the presence of the Higgs boson. More data in next years run will likely bring a definitive answer.

Just as importantly, they ruled out the presence of Higgs Boson outside their quoted ranges, with quite high confidence. If Higgs Boson does not turn up in this energy band, we have a very interesting problem in our hands.

Just to be clear: what they've ruled out is the Standard Model version of the Higgs boson. There are actually many possible kinds of Higgs bosons, the SM version being the simplest.

So what has Fermilab found at 140 Gev? It was originally described as a Higgs canidate. Or is it a supersymmmetry particle?

http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2011/04/07/fermilab...

I saw an article (but lost it :( ) that speculated there mat be as many as 5 Higgs bosons.

Edit: If you google "fermilab 144 gev", you will find several articles and a learned rant arguing for the Higgs at 144 Gev.

Within the particle physics community, that bump is widely believed to be the result of a poorly understood background subtraction. None of the other experiments (D0, CMS, ATLAS) have been able to reproduce that result.

TL;DR: Not found, think to know where it is. C U next year. Thnx 4 the billions.

See this is the problem with press releases of scientific research. If they had said "we think we've got it", people would be clamoring that the Higgs boson particle was found, when it wasn't. If they say (as they did) that they saw signs of it but are hesitant to make claims of its existence until they have firm proof, people make ignorant statements like the one above.

Your point is valid, but personally I didn't read the comment as ignorant. What part of it is not true?

It's the decidedly dismissive tone some people have a problem with.

Any TLDR summary is dismissive in nature... I guess I filter that out as "for the jokes".

The insinuation that it's all just done for the grant money.

Nahh, I don't see that. They're just thankful that's all! :)

HN... no sense of humour...

A common misperception. Humour on HN isn't verboten as such, it just needs to be carefully cloaked in some sort of substantive contribution to the discussion. It's empty responses, not funny ones, that draw the downvotes. The kind of humour that predominates on other websites, unfortunately, happens to be of the empty variety and so recent immigrants from there tend to draw flak for one-liners that don't convey any information.

SNR is prized and cultivated around here. That doesn't rule out humour per se, but it does considerably shrink the set of humourous responses that are appreciated.

blah blah blah. I happen to DISAGREE that "The insinuation that it's all just done for the grant money". The insinuation is jokes. Hence the lack of a sense of humour. The original objector didn't just not like the TLDR comment... he didn't get it and read into it way too much negativity. And I happen to think he was wrong about that.

You're missing the point. You can disagree all you want, but do so in a way that contributes to the discussion. Sarcasm rarely does so, and is generally frowned upon. So too, for that matter, are ALLCAPS and such rejoinders as "blah blah blah"

No, you're missing the point. I showed my initial disagreement with harmless good humour. Too bad you didn't understand that, and decided to give the same condescending boilerplate "HN is just different" speech I've seen others be berated with a dozen times.

There's nothing wrong with "harmless good humour", and there's definitely a place for it. HN isn't that place, unless it adds to the discussion. Most HNers don't want it to turn into reddit, where comment threads are filled with such harmless good humour and very little content, and so will downvote it.

I'm not trying to berate you or be condescending. I'm just telling you why you're being downvoted, and why such comments will continue to be downvoted in the future. It's up to you to do with that information what you will. If you choose to take that as condescending, then I apologize for the offense.

It has nothing to do with humor, it's about noise. You can be funny while also contributing to the conversation, but posting jokes instead of contributing will tend to get down voted.

TL;DR: Something about marketing and science.

Welcome to HN. HN is, generally, a long-form place. When you express full ideas, it's appreciated. When you express non-obvious ideas, it's appreciated. And when make meme-oriented jokes that rely on willfully misunderstanding science, technology, or the human endeavor, you can expect to get downvoted.

It's a place with its own set of customs, and I think you'll like it as you become more familiar with them.

How should we make it attractive for them [young people] to spend 5,6,7 years in our field, be satisfied, learn about excitement, but finally be qualified to find other possibilities?" -- H. Schopper

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1127343?ln=en

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Spin_(public_...

CERN openly discriminates people, who weren't born in western Europe. MC-EST.

"The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y) [where Y>X]

forrás: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report

ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/49426

downvoting w/o explanation will not make your counter-argument more rational.

This has nothing to do with the discovery or existence of the Higgs boson.

You are being downvoted because your accusation is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. Also, it is entirely unclear what your evidence is.

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