Up to 30% of online reviews are fake and consumers can't tell the difference
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After around a dozen failed attempts I finally found a great solution 9 months ago. Of course two days back I accidentally left it in a hotel room. Trying to buy a new one by clicking the link from my purchase history brings me to a listing with completely different pictures that look nothing like my beloved mask, now includes bluetooth music playback functionality, and of course costs about 3 times more. Pretty sure I won't get the same product if I bought it again.
So really I'm wondering if my previous 5 star review counts as a "fake review" based on this study's metrics and if not what percentage on top of that 30% is earnest reviews that are for completely different products.
https://www.fakespot.com/product/sleep-mask-3d-deep-contoure...
It does a pretty decent job of sorting out the obvious garbage w/ fake reviews, though it can't help with Amazon's co-mingling inventory.
0 light, no sweat and generally unnoticeable from and position after a minute or two.
Yes, you will look like a zombie.
This is entirely Amazon's fault. Scammers have exploited it, but amazon is the cause and the only party capable of putting a stop to it. They seem to want the quality of the products they sell to be a total crapshoot
for example: Amazon music and audible regularly crashed on my android device (Pixel, not so bizarre brand). After getting 3 USB based cables that burnt themselves out (overheated), I refuse to buy electronics from Amazon.com and now only use best buy (their brands, not the marketplace).
Not to mention all the e-commerce reviews that are along the lines of, "1-star: item was perfect and was everything I wanted it to be but it arrived three days late" or "5-stars: item sucks so bad that I returned it but the platform's return policy is great".
Seems like it hasn't impacted the user experience. Arguably improved the experience.
Perhaps other sites like Amazon and AirBnb should remove ratings and reviews too?
On other platforms you're spending time and money, on Netflix only time.
But when it comes to product reviews, accounts of hardware failures is super important imo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Schumer:_The_Leather_Speci...
Leaving descriptive reviews ranked by positive/negative on the product itself. An leaning heavier on "insightful" feedback to shape rankings a bit.
The bad reviews are not obvious at all. Even if you could spot them 100% of the time the average customer thinks they are real.
Things are so bad the EU now requires any review system to be able to prove the reviews are from actual customers. Removing negative reviews is also not allowed.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_...
Neither time has there been any indication of what the problem is (I guessed the first one was my reference to a 'knob', as in for turning, which the product had - but couldn't find any such similar Scunthorpe in the second) and even if they did give you some idea, they invite you to start again from scratch - not edit it, it's not saved, not even your photos. I'd love to see click-through metrics on that, does anyone bother?
I have several 1-star reviews among the published.
It was sort of surprising amazon rejects reviews - the more you know. Only 30% being fake seems like a very low estimate
As others have mentioned in this thread, many services will just not post a poor review. They have an incentive to make a sale, and a low star rating is going to turn a buyer away. Why push you away from the buy button when you're already on the page?
There's also the problem of incentivized reviews. I'm currently working on self-publishing a book. Standard practice is sending out "advanced reader copies" before you launch. The readers get a free book, you hopefully get some reviews to prime the pump on launch day. So far, somewhat reasonable.
But many of the platforms let you block reviewers. If you're a major publisher using something like NetGalley, you would be foolish not to filter out anyone who's ever handed out a bad review.
At best, the result is honest reviews from a non-representative sample. But it's even worse than that. The reviewers know the game; a bad review will take them off the free book gravy train. So they bias their reviews to not get cut off.
I don't know how you solve the review problem; the financial incentive for getting good reviews is huge. If you're willing to spend money, it is 100% possible to get non-representative or outright fake reviews that are indistinguishable from the real thing.
but the reviewer will notice that the negative review wasn't published. I would seriously consider to leave a platform which doesn't publish negative reviews. Even more so if the review appears to be published, but other users can't see it.
I've bought a lot of stuff on Amazon, and while I do think there's tons of fake reviews and craptacular products for sale, I've yet to come away with the same opinion of Amazon that many people have here. That is, the idea that Amazon is basically an unnavigable swamp of a marketplace. Somehow, I've avoided bad products to such an extent that I can't name a bad purchase off the top of my head. Ok, there was _one_ time I got an air filter that was used and repackaged (eww!) but it wasn't obvious and Amazon didn't know about it, and that's different than flimsy Chinese goods with fake 5 star reviews. I feel like I can spot fake reviews and other nonsense from a mile away, but I don't know if that feeling is real or not.
I suspect many on HN can too. They are likely annoyed by it and use hyperbole to express their frustration
Amazon gets away with a lot of shit because they have top notch fulfillment capability along with good customer service
Was my review a real one?
You can argue it was real but can still be used to skew the results. People are more likely to give good reviews plus review sooner before it breaks or they discover something wrong with it.
(I didn’t bother reviewing the subsequent one I purchased)
I would argue that paying for reviews is inherently dishonest. So is giving away items for free for reviews.
Completely fake reviews have always been banned on Amazon and this is an article about how rampant they are.
For that reason, I avoid buying supplements on Amazon unless it comes from a few brands that only use one trusted seller to push their stuff.
In some cases on very bad products, you see tons of 5 star reviews and a lot of 1 star reviews - and if it's high on the fakespot list, I can only conclude it's a bad product.
I've mostly given up on Amazon except where I can't find the product elsewhere (or on time).
Turns out, objective reviewing of items is difficult. And will almost certainly lead to a gaming of the reviews if the companies are able to do so.
I really want someone try independently try then all, but that is expensive and a lot of work so few do.
It was so delicious.
(Hey, I am not a bot, these are my current experience of what I am actually reading on Amazon reviews).
More funny Amazon reviews that I found: https://eliteseller.com/blog/funny-amazon-reviews/
Even if we got rid of fake reviews, at least 75% of real reviews add no value. Like so many Amazon book reviews that are simply "arrived quickly, cover in good condition".
BUT... as long as you sort by "most helpful" and read the top ~30 reviews, it's generally pretty clear whether the product is reliable or breaks (and how/when), and whether it is as advertised or not. It's pretty easy to suss out the signal from the noise. Call it critical thinking, call it a having a bullshit detector, call it common sense. But I just don't see a problem here, as long as there's a "helpful" vote button and "sort by helpful".
Asking as a person who has never been to US and only heard about the label being ridiculed since it is applied on all/ most products sold there.
I do see lots of 1-star reviews complaining that the package came damaged or something. I tended to consider them worthless. But recently I have gotten a couple items that looked like the box spent months in a dumpster or something, so maybe they had a point too.
How many times have I seen that on various reviews. I kind of like it somewhat, at least it means they didn’t delete it.
Here's some of my process when I don't know what I need exactly already. - try a few keywords first to find the right category - use the keywords to make the first search, depending on the item filter by 4 star and above, never by price - browse listings: - all caps BRANDNAME, skip - same picture or clearly same item from different brands, skip - listing has any badly photoshopped photo, skip Arrive at a few options: - there's customer photos/videos? check those (even if the review is fake, the photos are useful) - shipped by == amazon, if false skip - check 1 star reviews for delivery damage, if many skip or beware for delivery. amazon uses no padding most of the time. - check 3 star reviews (then 4) for sensible users making good points - always ignore reviews with "arrived fast/late" - always ignore reviews with "seller" is sold by == amazon Depending on item price, research product more and see suggested alternatives both on amazon and offsite - check reviews on those products too - check camelcamelcamel for price history - current price ok, buy - current price high, clear history of discounts, clean url from tracking and bookmark with price in the title (seldom open the bookmark, current price < bookmarked price? buy same or next day at most, price will likely increase after traffic)
I went looking for a pulse oximeter and the highest rated one had reviews that were all about a bicycle storage rack.
Amazon could trivially delete these but they simply don’t give a shit.
Shameful company to work for.
I want to see some stay history to gauge the experience, but have seen review padding recently (tons of positive reviews to hide Bad reviews).
it seems to be a new trend
Source: Airbnb host since 2007
A year later, NYtimes published a story on how one of the highest selling products was telling her employees to write reviews. https://twitter.com/maram5e/status/1218339532891983873?s=20
I wrote on here https://twitter.com/maram5e/status/1130299513011343366 service/product reviews are the new ads.
-- Amazon reviews Groupon reviews Sephora reviews Booking com reviews This is the beginning..we are entering a new whole world of decentralized power and brand authority. It's interesting to watch how big brands will continue to fight it.
1. Find lower-cost options that have a lot of reviews.
2. Sort reviews by recent; average MUCH lower than overall? Avoid. Ignore short to medium reviews explaining nothing and using glowing superlatives.
3. Use Lustre.ai to suggest alternatives (site or browser plugin), and use the steps below to know what issues MOST of these kind of products have.
4. Check much more expensive versions of the product for desirable features / problems solved, e.g. Bluetooth earbuds with a physical or app-based "re-pairing" function.
5. Read 1- and 2-star reviews; many re: misleading features/broken functions? Avoid, but note what kinds of problems are common.
6. Check most helpful negative review when available
7. Search reviews and questions for the issues you uncovered in steps 3 and 4. Sometimes MOST products have similar issues regardless of price—there may not be ANY product worth buying, e.g. home blood pressure monitors.
Certain technologies can appear a lot more popular than reality due to how much exposure they get on sites like HN, leading to a skewed perspective of the industry.
https://dataskeptic.com/blog/episodes/2022/fraudulent-amazon...
The fake ones are often absurdly easy to spot, with mindless cheerleading, lists of features regurgitated verbatim, and fully spelled-out product names. That's my favorite: ridiculously complete product names with taglines, practically only missing the (tm).
I've not had very much success with this approach, to be honest. I still just feel like I'm rolling the dice.
It won't be long before someone writes a GPT-3 model that can write hundreds of different reviews indistinguishable from real ones, and that sound and look different from each other, based on a product description and images.
I get that for a cheap product a seller could have a bunch of dummies buy it and then leave reviews, but that... doesn't seem very viable for most things.
Or are normal people getting paid to leave high reviews for something they bought and would not normally review?
1. I receive emails offering to give me free stuff in exchange for reviews, with the promise of more if they’re good. You can also find job site posting which are similar: get paid to review products, strongly implying that you get more for 5 star reviews. I haven’t actually done this but I’d be shocked if they gave people time or latitude for fairly reviewing anything.
2. I’ve had cards included in Amazon purchases offering freebies for positive reviews - just include a link in your email and get an Amazon gift certificate.
Amazon makes reporting these difficult and the frontline support tend to be confused if you try, and nothing visibly happened when I did. Clearly they do not care about this problem.
See my post here: https://rtc9.com/blog/beat-fake-amazon-reviews/
60% are fake but don't fool shoppers.
9% are fake but so good they fooled the researchers, too.
Plus there are two kinds of "fake reviews": Automated reviews ("spam"), and then reviewers who got free samples/paid. The second is almost impossible to detect as real people are really writing the reviews (and even calling them "fake" is hard because the person may still give an honest review sometimes).
You can sometimes spot fake reviews, but that is just due to laziness, if they're trying even a little bit it could be very hard to spot in particularly at volume. I will say one good trick is to read "new" reviews rather than most helpful/liked, since they game those too.