Ya'll are hyper focusing on the nights and weekends. That was my personal decision, not part of the culture.
Overarching thesis is the people who work to live don’t want to be dragged by those who live to work. Not a judgement about someone’s passion.
Something to remember, especially if you have anyone working under you - your work level will be seen as the minimum for your team members, not the exception.
Generally speaking though, companies should value output and results over hours. Easier said than done. Additionally, value should be placed on what one commits to do and delivers on. So if somebody is constantly having to pull late nights to complete work, they may be overcommitting. It's also possible a manager will consistently push people to overcommit: this is a problem because that can indicate poor boundaries, bad planning, poor resourcing, and so on.
Sure. And if the culture of the company/team is working 40 hours a week max and calling people out when they work more than that, then maybe it isn't the right fit for you.
At the same time I can accept some nuance here, e.g. working nights and weekends because you're taking some time back during the day in the week.
Similarly with remote working, if there's a wide enough timezone difference you might shift your routine to maximise overlap with the team.
I'm strongly in favour of maintaining harmony between work and life such that you're able to comfortably do both, but would not insist on a hard and fast rule.
If someone even further up the ladder says X does nights and weekends, so should the rest of the team, then the buck stops with that person, and they are contributing negatively to the culture.
If not by law, then because almost noone is happy working 60-70h and it puts pressure on others who feel like they also need to work similar hours. Additionally the efficiency gets worse as the weekly hours increase.
Are there any companies aside from Twitter that would fall under this? Because that's the only one I've seen mentioned in the news that way, but you make it sound like there are plenty others. So I was curious if I simply missed something.
Of course, when it inevitably doesn't they axe a few and the rest go back to work.
Young people have to work hard. I don’t expect my reports to work on any evenings or weekends and if they even suggest it, I tell them not to and give them more lead. At the same time, if they override my decision and work through the evening, I am ready to answer questions over IM if I’m free too. I’m not going to say “why are you working evenings?”.
People online are daft.
Harrison Bergeron much?
I'd not recommend 23yo to stay chill in job, particularly if they have some ambition. At the same time, don't devoid yourself of other experiences in life if possible. Honestly, there is plenty of time in a day. If we have good discipline and prioritize correctly, lot can be done. That's what I struggle with personally.
Why? Surely it's doable within the 9-5 schedule (plus some people for the on-call rotations), it would just take a bit longer?
It isn't just the 9-5, but the idea that your job stops when you leave the office. If people see it as a transactional relationship only, it means there's less investment in the product
If people have to work hard to make a good living in the 21st century that we are now in, then it means that whatever society they are in has failed.
I could work 10 hours a week and easily afford a 1920's lifestyle. But I prefer 21st century healthcare.
Perfectly viable anywhere without privatized healthcare.
Today, we are able to have only ~10% of the population work, and keep all the living standards of the 90% majority.
We are beyond 'self sustaining society'. We are throwing away food to protect market prices, we have planned obsolescence that makes perfectly fine devices to be thrown away to force people to buy new devices, we have more empty houses than the number of homeless.
The existing scarcity is artificial. Not something real.
Lol the best part though is thinking we are post scarcity. I thought this place had more brains than reddit or other idiotic forums.