Cook shortage threatens to sink U.S. Coast Guard operations
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The problem, as we are seeing in many other parts of the economy right now, is that if you treat your employees badly, they will eventually all quit, regardless of how good the pay is. Especially so if they are highly-trained professionals that are in high demand elsewhere, as in this case.
I think inertia allowed things to go sideways for a long time in a lot of professions, without paying the price for it soon enough. It stayed unseen for long because those jobs are often not affecting directly the structure main goals, like sales, manufacturing or field agents. They are support jobs, and help the structure maintain its integrity on the long run.
So it takes time for the problem to be detected, and for the top to even become motivated to fix it. It's quite possible they didn't even know it was a problem, or didn't think it was important. Hell, the person currently in charge have likely arrive at the post way after the decisions to destroy those jobs has been taken, years after years. Each year, one small increment at a time.
We are seeing an extreme version phenomenon in the health system in France. Extreme because it touches more than support jobs. Hospitals are full of exhausted staff that are asked to make yet another effort, "just this once". Getting appointments for specialists now take months, even for repeated sessions. Doctors are making much less money than I do in IT, for much more work, responsibility and administrative pressure. This frog has been boiling for quite some time.
With the removal of companies middle layers, paths from operational positions to top management have basically disappeared. That means that at most companies, top managers have made their whole career there often starting in corporate finance jobs or at management consulting firms and have no experience whatsoever of what working for them as an employee is like.
Usually the army fares better here because it still promote from inside its own ranks but apparently it was not enough to avoid this.
Maybe having pairs (one doctor, one non doctor) for those jobs would be a solution.
But it's probably not the only problem.
France has a budget problem, it's been borrowing more and more, and producing less and less. We can't maintain our way of life without cutting some spending, and you do it where people complain less, or where consequences will be seen way down the road.
The French hospital issues are entirely different. I could a write an entire essay about it - I’m French myself. Most of it is due to brain dead management by the Health Ministry in the 90s. It was thought that by training less doctors, there would be less acts done and it would cost less to the sécurité sociale. The order agreed because it protected their revenue. Add to that that far too many acts which could be done by support staff have to be done by a doctor to be reimbursed and widely underpaid nurses and you get the current shit show.
As a whole, they are clearly going senile and mentally declining a lot faster than their parents. Also they’re selfish whiners. Most of em deserve cattle call retirement line up take your meds in run down projects they never bothered to upgrade.
Prison not pensions for a bunch of them.
Before you say that "no amount of money is enough", just think that if for some reason they can't have the workers be cooks on shore, they can just pay them a vacation for that same shore period. The cooks on shore could then travel, or take a class, or do whatever they want. If you could find cooks who would work on a mix of shore and sea, but not sea only, then rotate the staff and pay the cooks to do nothing. Obviously an extreme example, but I'm giving it to illustrate the point that yes, it does boil down to money in the end. It usually does.
...because those industries relied on migrants, offshore seasonal workers, and working holiday visa holders, to maintain staffing levels, at the lowest wages possible, with often shite working conditions - to the point of exploitation - because seasonal workers who paid a broker to get that job, and don't speak English, don't feel able to complain.
When Covid kicked the teeth in of these industries addicted to low wage labour, did they re-evaluate their approach and improve the working conditions and wages they offeredto attract domestic workers?
Haha no, they just complained about the government restricting international travel during a pandemic, and demanded special treatment.
Sucks when the free market sends you signals about your price point.
It's a modern form of indentured servitude trending to slavery.
It's totally possible to have just and moral immigration, but it's certainly not the situation in many so-called developed countries today.
Of course, many countries are almost as good at exploiting citizens as they are non-citizens, so there's that.
And I wasn't asking for a magical pony with wings - I deliberately set the bar very low, "relatively humane" is table stakes.
E.g., you're from country X, living in a new country, Y, where you've bought a small business. Y is a desirable country to live in if you are from X. Your business is very low margin. You work very long hours to keep afloat.
But, an immigration broker also from country X gets in touch. They have many clients back home who would love to be in country Y. They just need a work visa, but the job has to be a) skilled and b) not able to be easily filled by an existing citizen or permanent resident of Y.
So here's the deal. The client pays the broker to be introduce to you. The client then agrees to pay you for a job - often there's a lump sum up-front, and often there's ongoing payments made under the table to the employer. You have to create a position that's suitably skilled of course, and you have to prove you couldn't fill the role locally.
So your corner store is now recruiting for a "retail and marketing manager", and you placed one advert in the situations vacant in a local newspaper, no-one replied. You are now able to recruit your retail and marketing manager from X, and they can move here knowing that they have a work visa.
It's a great deal - your worker got to move from X to Y, and you got an employee who, after their below-table payments to you, is likely working for far below minimum wage.
And here's the best bit - if you treat them like crap, and they decide to complain to the authorities, well, given that they knowingly participated in immigration fraud, which you have proof of, they're very likely to be deported and banned from returning. So they have a very strong disincentive to complain, no matter how you treat them. And thus you continue to have a good source of revenue and cheap labour until they've been in the country long enough to apply for residence.
And then, gosh well, you'll need another retail and marketing manager, won't you? Who pays a lump-sum upfront, and then kickbacks for two years.
Here's some examples from my country:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122467368/vicious-cycle-why...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411939/samoan-chief-jose...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123020969/tauranga-man-char...
Fixing this is a hard question - yes, we want workers being exploited to be able to complain, but we also don't want people lying and falsifying documentation to get a visa. So what do you do in these scenarios? Where do you find a balance?
Sounds to me like this is not in tension at all with what I said. This country should provide a way for those required workers to immigrate without an "immigration broker" [shudder] to abuse and hold power over them.
The fact that a lot of governments are xenophobic[0] and/or want to erode workers' rights[1] means that many places don't have this - apparently this includes New Zealand. But it doesn't change that this is a way to virtually eliminate that sort of problem. It might seem like a lofty or unattainable goal, but we shouldn't ignore what is right just because it's hard to do.
[0] - or enact such policies to appeal to a xenophobic portion of the electorate
[1] - or were elected with help from wealthy people and corporations who benefit when workers have less rights
At least legal immigrants can be reached by the government and have their rights explained to them in a language they can understand. Unfortunately, most countries don't do that by default, and if people are lucky some sort of NGO (usually unions) steps up.
The core problem anyway is a lack of enforcement of labor regulations, first by a lack of employer audits, followed by a subsequent lack of punitive actions against employers found to violate regulations.
From https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/business/food-prices-prof... archived at https://archive.ph/B1cjX
» Although food companies are prominent examples of how rapid inflation is being passed from producers to consumers, the trend is evident across a wide variety of industries. Executives from banks, airlines, hotels, consumer goods companies and other firms have said they are finding that customers have money to spend and can tolerate higher prices.
[...]
» Over the last year, the price of food eaten at home has soared 13 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, with some items spiking even higher. Cereals and bakery goods are up 16.2 percent from a year ago, closely followed by dairy, which has risen 15.9 percent.
My parents company does that for pilots, and they eventually all quit saying they want to fly more
> Salary: $44,866 - $48,453 + $8,973
This isn't too far off from the median pay of a head cook ( https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/chefs-a... ) though, there are variations out there ( https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes351011.htm )
Seems like not a great deal to get yanked around by the coast guard for years for an extra 4 bucks an hour.
Given that, the position is severely underpaid.
https://www.archwaystoopportunity.com/tuition_assistance.htm...
Keeping a ship fed while at sea for months is a hard task.
It's also not something that most people place enough value on to serve in bad conditions for three years to get, judging by the US military's difficulty in recruiting.
That's on top of a fully qualified CG Culinary Specialist potentially being able to get a high enough salary in the private sector to match the GI Bill's tuition cost, without needing to spend time away from home or dealing with austere service living conditions.
Of course this doesn't mean that the only option is to increase salaries. The Coast Guard could also try to substantially improve the quality of life in the post and make it more attractive in that sense. It's a post that's been taken for granted for far too long.
The current approach clearly isn't working, despite the GI Bill.
There's a lot more to an apartment than four walls and a roof.
Are you really comparing living on a ship 24/7 to an apartment ?!
Some referenda in a couple days will determine ending the minimum wage exemption (which would be a shot across the bow for tips and thereby the imbalance between front and back of house). Fought heavily by large restaurant industry players.
Even without the tipped minimum wage exception in WA/OR/CA, tips are still socially expected for wait service in the West coast, so waiters would probably continue to earn more in Minneapolis.
As an aside, pretty much all the "but you have to put up with <insert military structure here>" gripe that anyone can come up with has a "but you don't have to put up with <uncertainty of civilian life>" on the other side of that coin. People who are good at picking up on what the organizational goals are as well as the goals of the various parties they are subordinate to tend to fit really well in military life and there are a lot of these people out there.
Where are those people?
I think the real kicker is there is/was a group of people who would do 6 months on the boat, 6 on shore and were happy with that setup, but now they can only do on the boat or just give up and go work on land.
VA healthcare is garbage, and pensions are heavily backloaded for people who have done the full 20.
VA healthcare is a bonus. You don't have to use it.
pensions are heavily backloaded for people who have done the full 20
You realize regular people only get their retirement after thirty years, right? "Full 20" indeed.
I'd have to check what the pension rules actually are to say if it's 30 or 40 or more for civilians, but it's not 20.
The pay is 7 days a week, 8 hours a day for the salary portion. Saturday & Sunday are all overtime hours at time and a half. Weekdays are typically 11 hours, so three hours per day at time and a half.
That's the base wage plus 62 hours of overtime pay per paycheck.
The trade off is that you work most of your time in blocks, but make as much or more money than working every week.
The remainder of your leisure time is also in large blocks. This allows for extensive travel, private enterprise or focused effort on projects.
It's unusual, but terrible it certainly isn't
They see a labor force gaining power and they decide the "correct response" is to just decimate any power the labor force might gain. I don't understand it. This is america. We are ungodly wealthy. You can have your cake and eat it too, you can treat employees well and still make stupid amounts of money!
Waiving some of the rejection requirements doesn't help. Most of those enlisted below standards don't make it past the first year.
The U.S. Army is trying a 90-day pre boot camp training program.[1] There are two tracks, one for the fat ones, and one for the uneducated ones. The educational track focuses on word knowledge, paragraph comprehension, and arithmetic reasoning. Enough practical literacy to follow the simpler Army field manuals. The fat track has the troops on this track losing 1 to 2% body fat per month. Those who can't meet the minimal standards for enlistment in 90 days are released.
We fix those things, I guarantee the army will have much better recruits.
Then we have other crimes of poverty like not paying parking tickets (no money for the meter, aggressive local govt parking restrictions to exclude undesirable poor people), driving unregistered (because they're broke but you're an unperson without a car) etc. And of course, driving while black.
Of course I do not know any highly-placed military officers, but the officers I have known do not seem to be and would not describe themselves as religious. They all have sort of a mentality I am not really prepared to put my finger on. Generally, their whole world and interpretive lens centers around the USM.
The USAF and USMC are notoriously problematic with both evangelical/baptist and Mormon cliques. In the USAF this is on top of an already toxic culture -- as evidenced by the ongoing hemorrhaging of pilots. (I could reference many reports but e.g. [1] will do.)
The steady push towards religious prominence in military affairs is hard to miss [2][3]. Now your CO can invite you to his Church and his prayer service, and you'd best understand that your performance appraisal is the stakes. Probably not a good idea to mention your support of trans soldiers. It's all part of the broader culture war of course.
Many good officers hold the line against sectarian creep, including (or even especially) devoutly religious members, but the pressure to be Christian is growing.
[1] https://jqpublicblog.com/air-force-put-stop-loss-back-away/ [2] https://www.thechurchnews.com/2016/6/2/23214292/elder-bednar... [3] https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/09/18/...
Maybe I'm in the wrong community, but I don't see this at all. My experience for the last several years is that a preponderance of the guys I work with is lapsed Catholics.
I have heard, however, that the Navy, and particularly officers (increasing at higher ranks) is comparatively left-leaning and secularist.
I don't think I could characterise any of the USN leadership (O5 and up) as at all left leaning, though they have obviously travelled widely and generally worked with people in far flung places, unlike other branches.
At what point is it a failure of the person and not the system?
An 18 year old has spent their life eating what they’re given, exercising when they’re told, and having to get permission to use the bathroom.
The actual issue at hand seem to he that those kids have better opportunities.
The costs of eating healthy are high. 2 years online schooling for most kids coming out of high school has lowered overall comprehension levels. Parents working long hours put in little effort to see that their child is active, healthy, and studious. No role models, no healthy lifestyles, no belief in a future.
The lack of physical activity is down to the parents. Generation X raised their kids with strict rules and a high safety concern. Can’t play outside when you’re not allowed to cross streets or climb trees.
I aslo didnt realize the arrogance that is embedded in it as well as the role that chance played in my good financial position.
My best friend is a chemical engineer. He's studied 2 or 3 magnitudes harder than me, but the last 20 years didn't favor Chemical Engineers as much as software engineers. He's done well or plenty good, but to reduce the question of economics to a sense of personal responsibility as if those who are not financially stable -- deserve it, because they are lazy or not aware -- is a gross understatement and exactly why there is a such division in this country.
Yet some people live in food deserts and can't readily access reasonably priced healthy foods. 19 million Americans have limited access to a proper store (https://www.aecf.org/blog/exploring-americas-food-deserts) and unhealthy foods cost poor Americans less than healthy foods in both money and (more importantly) time.
> Broadband is subsidized or free for poor families.
and yet during the pandemic school districts had to drive school buses acting as hotspots into poor communities in order to help the ~15 million public school students who had zero internet access but had to participate in remote learning. (https://all4ed.org/publication/homeworkgap/) Millions more have some form of internet access, but don't have internet speeds or devices capable enough for online learning. In Alcona county for example 60% of the students don't have reliable internet access at home.
The system is failing a whole lot of people. That doesn't absolve people from personal responsibility but it's wrong to pretend very real problems don't exist and influence people's actions and outcomes.
Healthy foods have been hit by inflation, and if you grew up on food stamps you may never have had access to the right amount of healthy food to make it through childhood with a decent diet.
The Government has excellent resources on meal planning and budgeting on SNAP:
https://snaped.fns.usda.gov/nutrition-education/nutrition-ed...
https://snaped.fns.usda.gov/nutrition-education/nutrition-ed...
I agree that these resources exist, but actually being able to practically implement them is different than them existing.
The typical person on HN is probably educated enough and is in a position in life where these things aren't problems as adults, but that's not going to help a kid that is still living with parents or in a situation that they do not control.
Great! How?
Social housing, widely distributed low rise apartments run by the city or state to ensure we can house everyone. Avoid high rise or dense social housing clusters.
Tax the wealthy, increase pay for teachers (not administrators), pay teachers overtime. Build more schools, and provide nutritious food for every student both because it's the right thing to do but also to build knowledge of what healthy food looks like.
Vacate convictions for things like possession.
Those are the simple ones, there's plenty more we could do.
But, this is all the exact opposite of what I've seen from electorally successful anglosphere[0] politicians.
Do you think you could convince people to vote for that?
[0] I live in Germany now, but my german language skill is only good enough to tell me that politically the AfD hate me and Die Partei are having a laugh
And of course, I certainly wish that people were/had more opportunities to be healthier and more literate in the US in general.
I'm neither American nor involved with any military - but this came up in a podcast I was listening to recently, as a potential solution to recruitment problems that the US Army was having recently. It's a fairly good one, IMO, and certainly a more reasonable one than hoping people will decide on their own to "lose weight, be taught to read and write"
But apparently now that's socialism soo....
I don’t know how it is phrased in army recruitment, but if they are willing to take the fat and stupid, they might also allow the honest.
Henry started serving in the Coast Guard as a mess steward, which was an all-black rating while the armed forces were still segregated. Due to his his pre-service work as an auto mechanic, he was the first Coast Guardsman to transfer from the mess steward rating to a motor machinist mate. He ended his career as a warrant officer.
The mess steward rating has been renamed to "culinary specialist". Clearly it's no coincidence this particular boat was chosen to reflect this interesting article. His Wikipedia entry is worth a read:
This is not done because big $$$ contracts and outsourcing is seen as more important than capability or people by those in Congress. There's no one providing kickbacks and dark money campaign financing if you have Navy ratings cooking food ashore or buying produce (skills they will need to later transition to civilian careers).
Long LONG hours for not the best pay, for navy it's worse because you're always at sea.
> This unique system of enlisting foreign nationals, primarily Asian men, to serve in domestic and food service positions would remain in place for the next 100 years.
> In 1901, President William McKinley signed an executive order allowing the U.S. Navy to recruit hundreds of native non-naturalized Filipinos to serve in domestic and food service positions. As a result of these territorial acquisitions and McKinley’s executive order, hundreds of Filipinos and other Asian nationals would join the Revenue Cutter Service in the ratings of steward, cook and boy.
> However, in 1947, the United States and Republic of the Philippines signed an agreement allowing the U.S. to once again recruit citizens of the Philippines for voluntary enlistment in the U.S. military. Enlisting Philippine nationals for domestic service on Coast Guard cutters continued for another 20 years, however, these men could choose to change to a non-food service rating or pursue an officer’s commission after gaining citizenship. Finally, in 1971, this practice was discontinued and all enlisted ratings were opened to Filipinos that qualified by means of education, prior experience and security qualifications.
I didn't understand why that was the case, so asked the (ex-)officer/docent who was nearby. He pointed out the 1947 change, and added that previously black men were the stewards, but since integration in the military opened up other jobs, fewer black men wanted to be a steward.
I understand what it means, but my brain is breaking in the same way it would when navigating a double/triple negative.
Personally I’ve never been a fan of “all but Z” as a phrase — I prefer “[very] nearly Z”.
It's extra tortured because of the "literally", and the original "all but" is an odd phrase to start with, but in the end I knew exactly what it mean and didn't even blink at it.
The most common usage of this form is probably the idiom “It’s all over but the shouting,” meaning a foregone conclusion that still has some steps to go through before it becomes official. Historically, this phrase comes from electioneering where there is only one viable candidate standing for office: The competition is practically completed, but the actual voting (the ‘shouting’) has not yet occurred to ratify this result.
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise and an almost fanatical devotion to Oxford's...
(I'll lead myself out)
The word “almost” is also pretty funny though, if you think about it (literally “all most”).
We didn’t care about having to do the grunt work for the cooks when the alternative was not having hot chow. Plus they didn’t really care too much about our pilfering as long as we kept it somewhat reasonable.
Tastes like morale drop.
Pay shit, nobody wants to work, "shortage", as usual it seems.