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The companies that pay artists' salaries won't be willing to secretly break the law to save money.

Microsoft won't legally be able to continue its abuse of GitHub. Copilot will be dead. OpenAI and Stability will not legally be able to profit from large-scale intellectual property theft. All these violations will end.

These are the most significant digits. The residual amateur piracy doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if random guy gets some leet neural net warez and uses it to make his desktop wallpaper.

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First, you didn't address my point that you cannot detect AI output.

I already have Stability running on my PC. I generate an image with it. How do you know the output comes from Stability? Answer that, please.

Second, a worldwide draconian ban on AI image training and generation just isn't going to happen. Very few legal things are coordinated worldwide, and copyright law is incredibly low on the list.

Even training without consent can be addressed. Google trained some of their AI from Google Photos. Which they made free for unlimited use so that us fools would produce billions of images, accept the terms we don't even read and voila: AI legally trained.

Just because you can buy a knife to kill someone discreetly, doesn't mean that we should just give up on the idea of making murder illegal.

Of course "killing someone" and "copying someone's artwork" are at different levels, however, I'm sure artists would beg to differ.

I don't think there is any work on that yet, but if the model is known it should be possible to derive the probability that a particular image is the output from it.

It's inevitable that someone comes up with methods to detect generated images, since a lot of political (Edit: and financial) capital hinges on that. If AI image generation is inevitable, then methods to analyze images wrt. known generators are even more inevitable.

> GAN

And your point is invalid in long term.

Ive produced over 5000 images on my local SD install. Currently, there are many dead giveaway if you produced the art with it. Specifically around hands, feet, holding things, pupil directions. Of course these things will get better with time, but currently there are many things that exposure generative art.

I've noticed there's a lot of newly created luddite accounts.

Reddit luddite brigade?

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