Nobody wants touch-screen glove box latches
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But I don't buy that electro-mechanical latches and actuators and wiring cost less than a dumb latch.
Also, the mechanical latch mechanism needs to be strong enough to withstand hard use over many years. AND it needs to be made in a shape and finish that fits the design of the interior. AND it needs to feel good in the hand. AND it might need a lock in it, either due to expectation or regulation.
Suddenly a simple little solenoid and metre of thin gauge wire starts looking pretty cheap.
This design is an aesthetic choice, though certainly motivated parties could spin at as being cheaper (I suspect it's close to a wash).
Not that I’m endorsing any of this, I have a model Y, and detest how hard it is to open the glove box.
- can't flash the headlights at oncoming cars.
- can't let the passenger in without touching the touchscreen several times (lock door handle, unlock door handle, THEN door presents itself on unlock)
- can't turn on the defrost/defog without using the touchscreen (and that requires attention to locate the control). The new UI that just came out puts these on submenus.
The new model S with the square steering wheel is even more of a dumpster fire. no stalks. Turn signals are buttons on the steering wheel. wipers too. and additional things like PRND on the touchscreen / center console.
I think there must be consumer demand for this feature. Oh how luxurious it must feel to never have to use a manual latch unlike the unwashed…
That’s assuming competence. Design that follows consumer demand requires actual research work performed by the design team.
It’s much easier for product designers to simply follow the design decisions of the “market leader. It’s what their higher-ups may even be requesting or requiring.
This pattern explains such user-hostile decisions like the loss of headphone jacks, or curved glass displays that distort edge pixels and don’t accept glass screen protectors. Or car maker’s trend to remove tactile controls with a laggy, convoluted touchscreen UX.
Curved glass displays cause phones to break more often which sells more phones, removing headphone jacks encourages users to leave bluetooth enabled which is used for data collection and tracking. People are making money from those design choices (at our expense), but who is making money by removing tactile controls and burying their functions behind menus? The screens and OS are there either way.
And there are a ton of solenoids in cars so they can probably reuse one and save the cost of the manual latch.
Not to mention the Apple-esque design ideals that eradicated headphone jacks. You now have a cleaner looking passenger side of the dashboard.
None for me, thanks.
A demand for Apple-esque design seems more plausible!
It’s also cheaper to build cars without seat belts, airbags, catalytic converters, backup cameras, etc, etc, etc
I have to use bluetooth to connect my phone, rather than being able to just use USB. When starting the car, it loses the connection, and sometimes can't reestablish it. And like 1/10 times it asks me to stop the car to be able to pair it again.
Especially annoying if it happens when I want to use GPS through my phone.
(My record was having to stop -> start my car 3 times)
We are long past the point as an industry when we should have collectively declared Bluetooth a failed experiment.
But let's say I agreed with you, so us and what industry would declare it failed? Some Bluetooth consortium, i.e. the same people who make 99% of these devices with likely unbelievably buggy implementations hacked together in the minimum of time? Society at large? Consumers? Some union of software engineers?
I am very sympathetic to people's lives been made more annoying by technology that doesn't work, just as I am to people's lives being made worse by technology that does work. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution, either.
(Maybe right-to-repair could be a starting point for open-source efforts to change products where incentives don't align. Doesn't help much with firmware though.)
It may be an issue with GP’s car rather than the protocol itself. Turning your car off and on for Bluetooth sounds particularly stupid. I can unpair and pair my car without restarting it.
Granted, because of regulatory requirements there is STILL A MANUAL RELEASE… on the floor, near the chassis sill (and might be driver-seat only). So you save money going to electronic releases, but still have to put a manual one in anyways.
The glovebox is merely annoying (though I can think of edge case situations where it could lead to your death), but with the door release, there are documented instances where it HAS led to someone’s death: https://jalopnik.com/texas-man-and-his-dog-die-after-getting...
They often have them hidden, though.
The other day, a friend of mine had his keys on the table. His car key was the common "oblong box" variety. A small black box, with a couple of buttons.
I asked him if he'd ever had a battery issue, and he said no, but he had nightmares about it.
I then showed him his "hidden" manual key (usually, there's a fingernail slot).
Then, we had to spend some time, looking around his car, for the keyhole.
It turned out to be under the driver's side door handle, covered by a plastic plug.
My door was blocked by another vehicle, as was my dad's. He was busy trying to get my sister to open her front passenger door, so he could clamber out after her.
The other rear door was damaged, and I had to pull the latch and then kick it to open it. (Not sure how that would work with one of these small manual release things.)
But parents: if you have a daft car with electronic doors, make sure your children know where the manual release is, both front and rear.
Heck, "not buying a car" is one of those very few decisions I took when I was young which resulted in me not being in debt for the rest of my life.
It sounds like you're saying it's okay to do stupid stuff as long as someone popular does it first.
1. Setting volume to 0 will pause the recording, even though I sometimes want to silently forward through some unwanted parts (intros or ads in podcasts).
2. These knobs are also infinity knobs, I liked to have fixed start and end position with an indicator how loud it's going to be when I switch on. That last part has been taken over by software and probably can't be done reliably any more.
3. On the leftmost, zero position that round knob was also used to switch a radio on or off. It is very convenient to have a single movement to switch music on, and with the same movement adjust the volume, or to lower the volume and while doing so, maybe decide to switch it all off entirely.
Because we hear logarythmic, it then makes the top half almost useless, while in the lower parts it's way too sensitive.
The new car has a big flashy touchscreen, but there's no way to interact with it without taking a hand off the wheel and looking down below the dashboard line.
I don't know why they can't at least add button-based navigation to the UI.
Tried a quick search and couldn't find it. Is it like the scoll wheel on a mouse? Would be nice to have those on the steering wheel instead of up/down buttons.
I drive a 12 year old Focus that has just about the right amount of modern functions - such as aircon, bluetooth connection and rear parking sensors.
I guess the problem with cars nowadays is that there isn't much to differentiate between them so all these added features have become a bit of an arms race?
The irony, of course, is seeing all of these fancy Range Rovers and Mercs broken down at the side of the motorway waiting to be towed away because they have become so sophisticated to the point of not being able to fulfil their primary function of getting from point A to point B?
The last thing I want to do when driving a car is turn my head away from the road.
This seems to be because when you are talking to someone in person there are two things that help offset the risk from the increased distraction of the conversation.
First, your conversational partner being in car provided another set of eyes that might spot something the conversational distraction makes you miss. I personally saw this once where I was driving and started to pull out into an intersection after a stop sign where cross traffic did not have a stop sign and somehow completely missed a car approaching from the passenger side. My friend in the passenger seat saw it and yelled "STOP!" and I immediately hit the brakes.
Second, when you are in situations where you need to devote extra attention to the road such as dealing with heavier traffic or trying to navigate an in person conversation tends to slow down or pause naturally. On the phone the other person has no clue what is going on at the car and so conversational flow control is not as good.
I recently moved backwards from a CarPlay car to a non-CarPlay car. Even with a very convenient MagSafe phone mount right where the CarPlay screen used to be, I still miss CarPlay. It was just easier and more convenient for controlling phone media, gps, etc.
On the settings app, the choice is between a crappy touchscreen UI and a crappy non-touchscreen UI, so I’m kind of neutral.
Considering this, I don't think I've ever even had to touch the screen since; the wheel is just so nice. The volume knob down in that cluster is also very ergonomic.
I like their rotating joyknob implementation, which can be used without looking nor stretching arms, and integrates well with CarPlay as well. It's so good I skip on touch even when touch would be a good fit.
Even their homegrown UI isn't that bad, which is actually praise given the crap automakers can come up with.
Side node: touch is useful for the passenger though, as reaching to the knob can be annoying for the driver, even at a stop.
The latest models go one further - the screen is not touch capable at all. It’s honestly great.
Don’t get me wrong, touchscreen gloveboxes are stupid as hell, but as I get older and things change, i find myself wondering if I’m being discerning or closed-minded.
You're being discerning. And a little over-generous.
I'll counter - as a fellow 'older' one :)
There's a tendency to be over-conciliatory and exercise excessive tolerance towards folly, for fear of being labelled a throwback. Don't minimise the wisdom your age brings.
Some things just get worse, objectively, until a correction occurs. Reality is, there are perverse design incentives and it's also the younger people who are tearing their hair at the madness of gratuitous tech and UX as a cult/ideology.
It is almost always easier and cleaner to use their HTTPS name=value post interface directly if they officially allow it and support it.
Often you are going to get your payment information from the user in that format anyway, such as via a post from your checkout page, or as a row of named columns when you retrieve on file payment information from your database.
In that case submitting name=value pairs mostly just requires translating the field names from your checkout page or column names from database to the names that the payment processor uses, plus adding a few more name=value pairs.
Going through their language specific SDKs often requires building up some ridiculous object oriented mess.
While I agree things like volume, glovebox release, and other standard functions should stay far away from a touchscreen, I do like that touchscreens have enabled highly customizable options/settings that would be a bit tougher to achieve without a touchscreen.
Or at the very least a digital screen with manual navigation buttons, but in this case, a touchscreen is a bit more convenient (and you usually have to have the car parked to change settings, anyway).
This is a really good UX match, but they should've stopped there for sure.
Touch screen is a better interface because the UI can adapt to the context. I get that when you are driving you don’t want to have to look at the screen but honestly the benefits far outweigh the perceived cons.
Yep that's why everyone is using 6" touchscreen keyboards on laptops and desktop PCs - oh wait, they aren't because there is plenty of space for physical buttons that work better.
When people are too stupid to recognise satire, you get tremendous support for stupid things.
https://www.theonion.com/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-...
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/29631/when-car-radio-was...
And no way does a touch screen have benefits that outweigh the benefits of dedicated tactile controls for the driver.
The safety aspects are quite different. It is mildly annoying not to be able to touch type text messages; it is deadly to have to fiddle with a touch screen for a car’s basic functionality.
how?
I thought GM had jumped the shark when they started leaving the reverse lights on when you park, just to make sure people or cars nearby don’t know whether it’s safe to pass you in the parking lot. This is a whole new level of stupidity.
(telsa's brake lights are triggered based on deceleration so they constantly flicker when you're just using regen a bit)
Thank the SAE (the de-facto regulators of this space since many laws are just pointers to their specs) for that. There's a spec for triggering brake lights based on how fast the car is decelerating. Depending on your regen setting you're probably right at the threshold.
"The touch-screen-actuated glove box is terrible because it’s one of those examples where carmakers have found that they have the technology to do something, so they do it, without considering literally anything about what they’ve done. Did anybody want this? At all? It takes something that has never been a problem, opening a glove box, and added cost and complexity to the construction, and added time and inconvenience to the process. No problem is solved, but a fuckload of new problems are introduced."
Here's the gist: carmakers, as many other businesses -this can apply to pretty much every product-, need more bullet points to be shown in advertising, so they use technology to add every possible feature, including those that are technically useless but still could add points of failure because of their bare existence. I think there's no way out until people is taught how this works very early in their life, and I mean children at school, so they can use their wallets when time comes. I can't see this coming anytime soon, however, as our economy totally embraces advertising the useless.
That was essentially technology bullet-point features, but since they flopped hard you can no longer buy curved TVs or 3D TVs. Turns out if people really don't want shit, it disappears again, no matter how hard various corporations push the shit.
Your logic only works in healthy markets like TVs where you could buy _EQUIVALENT_ device without the curvature or 3D.
Meanwhile with cars this isn't true - the touchscreen crap trend is being implemented across the market (since its cheaper) and many people can't freely choose a model and brand of their car (either due to costs, dealer availability or other factors like interior space or fuel consumption requirements).
If you'd be able to buy the same car, just with different control stack, THAT would enable the behaviour you describe.
Excuse me, but the TV is not at all "a healthy market", in a healthy market you would have choices for non-smart TV sets or - even more simply - decently priced simple monitors.
There’s many manufacturers and millions of used cars.
The makers also want ads in TVs for additional revenue streams, so customer wants can go jump off a cliff for all they care.
A great opportunity to serve Ads to a captive audience
People are coming up with all sorts of ridiculously contrived scenarios to make this look bad. But I haven't seen anything that's more than a 1 in a million type problem with an obvious solution.
Is it kind of dumb? IMHO yes. Are there people who like this sort of whiz bang gadgetry in their luxury cars? Absolutely.
Is a robolatch cheaper, compared to a manual latch? Is there a cost saving for the manufacturer?
> In his desk drawer he found the contract; since signing it he had found it necessary to refer to the document many times. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip. “You discover I’m right,” the door said. It sounded smug. From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt’s money-gulping door. “I’ll sue you,” the door said as the first screw fell out. Joe Chip said, “I’ve never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.”
Doubt it. It's still a latch but now you need a power release and some wires. Glovebox cover is still made in 1 operation regardless if it have the opening for the latch on front or not, you still need someone to install that latch in the cover, but now you need to trace wires to it.
Doubtful, but as an extra "feature" they can probably use it to justify increasing the price of the car by more than it cost to add it.
Granted, to me, this would REDUCE the value of the car, but car makers are operating in fantasyland
And with every oil change at the dealer, you unlock a cupholder. Get an extended warranty and unlock 2 driver and 2 passenger cupholders.
--We should not mention it, and give the idea to the OEMs...
They do ask if you want to update now or wait + tell you that the car won’t be available for x amount of minutes.
It's a very software idea to ship things unfinished and fix them later. At best it's annoying, in a car it's dangerous.
I expect when I buy a car that the manufacturers have spent time thinking about the layout, and they've got it the best they can, ironed out the bugs etc. I don't want to come in in the middle of an iterative process. I don't want buttons moving, I don't want 'improvements', I want to buy an actual functioning car from day one. One that the manufacturer is happy to stand by from day one, and they don't feel entitled to 'improve'.
Also, who is buying such expensive cars without any idea how they operate?
But I agree about the horribleness of the UI changes - I still hate whatever the UI update was that went out like a year ago and haven't figured out why they actually did it.
Seriously I would probably remove the antenna or the sim card for the car's data connection.
The newer VW models (Golf, ID series, etc.) had touch controls on the steering wheels instead of physical buttons. Of course what happened is what you anticipated. Bad customer feedback made them reverse that for future models.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tesla+yoke+steering+wheel+controls...
The less used something is, the more apparent it must be how to use it.
If something is used once a year, most users won't know what myriad of menus to follow. Some won't even know it is a menu option, and may hunt all over the car for a hidden release.
... which is to say, this is all very horrible.
Is there any decent automotive company remaining?
We are getting their ev next the Solterra which is a shared venture with Toyota.
Eg. you get CarPlay, but also physical climate controls and volume knobs. Automatic cruise control & lane centering, but you can disable certain parts of it that you don’t like.
And the Outbacks are some of the safest cars out there in terms of “deaths per million miles” statistics according to the IIHS [0], probably due to their over-engineered frames and engine-dropping crumple zones
[0]: https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/status-report/pdf...
Disclaimer, this is from what I heard and using common sense, but in might be completely wrong.
A traditional, mechanical, glove-box contains all the same components as this one (a latch, hinges, door, etc) but this adds a new wire harness, new connection points, new software, and an electro-magnetic servo to unlock it.
I can think of no argument at all for how this decreases cost. It only increases them and increases failure points, all for what? Nobody knows exactly for what.
The article scenarios raise some of the real life issues:
* What if your battery dies, and you have your small emergency charger in the glovebox?
* What if you’re waiting in a turned-off car while your friend or parent or lover pops inside the liquor store, and you need to get, say, your hyper-important pills out of the glove box?
* What if you get pulled over by a cop, and they tell you to turn your car off, like they do, but then you have to explain to the already tense cop that you need to turn your car back on so you can open the fucking glove box door so you can get your documents? ( Depending on the cop and the circumstance, this can only make things worse. )
etc.
I've spent decades on bleeding edge tech .. and I still detest this kind of ill thought through "just because we can" stupidity.
https://www.amazon.ca/Luxtude-Pack-Car-Safety-Hammer/dp/B087...
There is no way a 90lb, octataraien, is going to rip a seatbelt loose if stuck, or smash her car window by hand, if the power is out, or if underwater.
Yes she can reach the glovebox and get this tool, but not if the thing won't open!
I'm in an Australian rural farming district and a neighbour of mine used something similar when his 4x4 landcruiser was T-boned into a dam back when he was 90 or so (he's pushing 97 ATM).
If you or your mum haven't done this already .. get her a few old seat belts and passenger windows from a wreckers to practice on.
The theory is good but nothing beats a bit of muscle memory practice.
But they still show just how dumb this design is, because it doesn’t fit how people use glove boxes.
Maybe you forgot the /s?
When I go on long trips, my passenger often reads, uses their phone and store these things in the glovebox when we are stopped. It is a convenient storage box right at their disposal so why not use it?
As the other guy said, this is a classic case of "you are holding it wrong".
For many cars, it involves popping off the cover around the shifter and holding two tabs out of the way - here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEui4r1AKhg
Also works if you don't have the key, which can be useful.
I love manual transmissions, but I will have to give this up soon. Likely so will you, sadly.
It makes me so happy to think the Nobel committee, which was dominated by experimentalists, when considering Einstein's contributions to science, could only bring themselves to award him the prize for grocery store door openers.
That doesn't mean you can't put a touch button on the actual glovebox.
Use the UI (with a pin) to lock the glovebox so that it doesn't open when the glovebox button is touched, use the UI (with the same pin) to reverse that at a later stage.
Putting the button anywhere but on the glovebox makes non-fanboys seriously question the suitability of the car as a convenience.
But just to play devil’s advocate here: the benefit of the glovebox being software-controlled is that it enables features like PIN-protecting the glovebox contents, or Tesla’s “valet mode” where certain car features (including opening the glovebox) are disabled when you hand your keys to a stranger.
Did they do focus groups for this feature? Did they get responses like these?
“I hate how easy and quick it is to get the glovebox open. Can you guys solve that?”
“Is there any way to make simple acts I’m used to doing a real fucking chore?”
“How can I be sure every single tiny fucking thing on this car will be an expensive hassle to repair in 10 years?
“If the battery dies, is there any way to fuck me over even more than normal? Like, you know, hard?”
“Can you just smack the shit out of me over and over again with like a slab of roast beef, or is there some electromechanical and software solution you can integrate into the car for the same effect?”For things like glove box latches and door latches, just simple mechanicals please.
But that’s only somewhat better.
You can buy S3XY buttons to give yourself a physical button for it.
Car companies, like software companies, want to go to a subscription model.
"You can open your glovebox up to 10 times for only $9.99 per month!"
Even for a rental car, I think that's taking it a little too far.
Some are just fine. Some are "mechanically terrible". You'd have to look at big picture stats to see how often it's the case. Most people that buy GM do not end up with mechanically terrible cars, but because so many are bought, a large number are.
Beyond that, there are nationalists (will only buy American) or otherwise brand loyal, often taking up the same preferences as parents.
(Owner of early 70s GM.)
Combination locks have existed for centuries now.
They also network and know a lot of stuff.
https://youtu.be/cNpGQWtgoRA?t=2m15s
Mechanical hidden latches existed for ages now.
There’s the simplicity of Toyotas that keeps me attracted to them. Although when battery dies, you can’t open the trunk in newer RAV4s. So they’re going to shit as well.
I would buy a dumb cheap electric car in a heart beat.
Good automotive quality switches and encoders are expensive. And they don’t make them anymore because market dumped them. See the dwindling alps catalog.
That Rivian was so bad I feel like it should be illegal. Who the F comes up with this stuff?
I hope I never meet a Toyota engineer in person, because it would be hard not to do something criminal to them.
You can buy wireless CarPlay/Auto USB dongles for cars that only support cable.
When controlling the light, temperature or others from touch-screen, I need to wait those animations and a slight delay after touch the trigger.
Want fast access, you got it. Want to lock the glovebox, you got that too.
Anyway, you don't have "a discreet manual release" on actual implementation of that crap, so yeah that's the point: you could and you should have a manual release. At which point the touchscreen insanity for that would not make sense and would disappear.
What about form follows function?
Often designers privilege form over function.
Examples: lots of silly architecture, and the fact that my kitchen countertops are tiled.
There is no longer anything useful on the dash above the wheel. No speedometer, odometer, battery level indicator, repair lights, nothing. All of it is integrated into the infotainment unit on the dead center of the dash. Similarly, there are no knobs or real buttons anywhere on the center of the dash; it's all touch screen. All of it. I wanted to moan about it the entire time I was in the car, but I didn't want to just complain about my friend's nice new vehicle.
The F-150 lightning I test-drove similarly has all of the climate control and music controls stuffed into infotainment center with no physical knobs or dials to be found. If you read online, you will also find that its infotainment center is notoriously slow. Otherwise, it's a very nice truck.
Tesla is basically the Apple of EVs right now. Leading the way in some really interesting technology and features while causing potentially irreparable long-term damage to the health of the industry overall (think storage-tier pricing and the removal of all but USB-C ports/headphone jacks).
Edit: found this video in the Twitter thread linked in the article 1. Actually what the Cadillac is doing here (particularly with the doors) is aggregious. Tesla has added an additional step to opening doors from the outside (you push your thumb in first and then grab the handle) which is something you can become accustomed to in one fluid motion. At least it looks kind of nice and is only mildly less convenient than traditional handles. The push-to-release-pull-side-of-door-because-theres-no-handle mechanism on the Cadillac is absolutely braindead.
Seeing this video and multiple other new cars in person, I've also noticed a disturbing trend of changing the hatch opening mechanism. Before: manually open the hatch assisted by hydraulics which prop the door open until manually closed. Now: automatically open the hatch (slowly) on a button press and close it (slowly) on a button press. What's the problem here? Apart from being actually worse UX once the novelty wears off, the second mechanism is much more failure prone over the lifetime of the vehicle. The nice salesman at the Ford dealership actually told me off for trying to manually close the frunk on the Lightning because he was afraid I'd break it!
My honest opinion is that these changes all point in one direction but cut two ways. 1. Increase revenue by increasing standardization and eliminating many pieces from the manufacturing process (at the expense of UX/longevity) and 2. Mitigate the lost recurring revenue due to how much more reliable EVs are than ICEs by introducing new failure modes masked as modern features for plausible deniability.
If the attacker already broke into the car, I doubt the glovebox is going to put up much of a fight.
Also, I'm pretty sure the glovebox itself has a lock in a lot of cars.
Thieves will find a way.
Continuing from that last sentence, a big part of the problem is that the Christian religion is all but replaced with a corporate equivalent. It's now plausible to claim someone is racist and homophobic if they don't like Apple products. This is a huge part of the issue. There is almost no criticism in media about technology. On any nerd social internet corner, you'll have a bunch of burger eating slobs who do exactly what I complained about: You'll explain that this toaster is bad because it smells like burning plastic and has holes in it that drop bread crumbs all over your counter which get blown around the kitchen. They'll respond by saying, "how dare you insult this prestigious company that only existed for 5 minutes, they are my favorite. I have never actually tried another product but this is the best because I bought it and it had a shiny thing on it and I felt so good after this purchase". Thanks to this social environment, it's basically impossible to get a good review of any product what so ever on the internet. 99.9999% of "Nerd culture" is actually just about buying stuff. Any time I want to buy something I expect to take days out of my time just to find a product that isn't severely crippled so badly that the mindless consumer will complain about it (on 1/20 review sites). Don't get me wrong, this isn't an internet problem. Most people IRL hold the same mentality.
Vehicles have all the garbage you'd expect for this demographic:
- ECU with shoddy and fraudulent software (dieselgate, uConnect, unintended acceleration)
- LEDs that flicker worse than a CRT (these are actually dangerous as at night you can't immediately tell the position of a car within a split second, which goes to show how much shits regulators give, "at least they saved a penny and some carbon emissions (TM)")
- Terrible inputs with issues like being touch screen, horrible debounce, etc
- Cheap, vain, lack of taste, glossy paint that easily sells to idiots who like shiny things and they'll even pay extra for it despite it being worse in every way
- All kinds of dangerous half working gimmicks around "steering for you" which are especially easy to upsell to idiots
- Spyware that phones home"Remind me again why the brake pedal isn't a button buried in a sub-menu? Because that would be inconvenient, unintuitive, and doesn't allow quick access?
Then why the fuck would you do this with anything?"
“Because title 49, subtitle B, chapter III, subchapter B, part 393, subpart C, paragraph 393.40 of Federal Safety Regulations requires us to install brakes as specified by subpart B, paragraph 571.105 of the same regulations, which require a pedal. And if those did not exist, then we absolutely would install some other bullshit, make you pay extra for it, and bear no responsibility for it whatsoever.”
Glove box isn’t a safety feature? Do whatevs, land of the free.
My previous car a big lever that the passenger could easily yank in an emergency. No thought required, it's a big level you grab and pull.
By the time you find the little black plastic tab amongst all the other similar black plastic doo-dads, you're dead.
(To be clear, I'm firmly on team mechanical glove boxes.)
If you don't want it don't buy the car? I fail to see the issue.
Why shouldn't people write articles that clearly communicate what makes a specific feature a deal breaker?
Also, the earlier we raise a stink about the incredible user hostility of something that can’t be opened in motion, and can’t be opened with a dead battery, the better the chances that it won’t be widely adopted.
The attitude that there is no use case for a truck or suv is quite the privileged city dweller point of view.
Cars aren’t going away.
From my personal experience I probably open my glovebox four times a year. How many times do I look at my glovebox? That's much harder to estimate but I'd guess dozens. Do I like a clean looking dashboard? It was actually a major selling point for me when I recently went car shopping. People obsess about how their cars look on the outside but how things look (and thus feel) on the inside is more important.
A glovebox latch only minimally affects the look and feel but I don't find the tradeoff that automakers have chosen as obviously bad as the author.
On long road trips with passengers, they often use the glovebox to store things.
When we go on road trips the kids rotate sitting in the passenger seat. They store their books, kindle, phone, etc there as it is a very convenient storage space easily accessible to them.
Problem solved. Dozens of new problems not introduced.