Rust Web Framework Comparison

Because it's an undisciplined collection of many people's hard work, boiled down to overly simplistic attributes used to highlight some repositories and put others down.

I was confused for some minutes because the first hit when I googled "rouille rust" is "rouille (French for Rust) is here to save your day, as it allows you to write Rust programs in French, using French keywords, French function names, French idioms." with code like:

  statique mutable DICTIONNAIRE: PeutÊtre<Dico<Chaine, Chaine>> = Rien;

That's probably "Option" in English Rust?

Sure, you can write the stuff yourself instead of using a third party library. Might be harder than it sounds, though.

If you make a tree of crate dependencies, the root is the standard library. So yes, you could build it all yourself with the standard library, it would just be really unpleasant.

I agree, it would be nice the if the rust foundation would give their blessing to some important crates like serde and regex, but putting them in the standard library only makes them harder to evolve. In particular, breaking changes go from being unpleasant to disallowed altogether.

Haskell has a garbage collector, and the wasm gc proposal has just hit stage 3. Once and if this continues and gets implemented, then we’ll see how Haskell (and fingers crossed, ocaml) gets compiled to wasm.

I’d love to deploy Haskell or ocaml on some of these new cloud wasm hosts.

We can! It’s a lot of work because you don’t have the whole JS ecosystem to fall back on, but to some that’s a feature not a bug.

My favorite example of this is https://makepad.dev

I mean, Unix/Linux was top to bottom C for a long time. It still kind of is. Higher level languages aren't needed per se, but they do make life easier.

Rust and Haskell present a very different programming experience, and so does an untyped language like JavaScript. Just because you can program in Rust for web development doesn't mean developers will want that type of experience. The C++ comparison makes more sense since Rust presents that style of programming done better.

Until Rust shows me lightweight binary size story.

You absolutely can. The biggest snag in "rust everything" is in web frontends. Yew is decent, but getting JavaScript developers is so much easier than getting Rust developers who like (web) frontend work.

If you think about it, the reason Rust, or any other programming language were created, was simply because other languages had something lacking...

There's no single language that's the greatest. Haskell has different aims than Rust. If you're using Haskell for frontend development, you probably need to reconsider your choices, I think

I'm not convinced Rust would ever be the right "everything language".

Currently I find myself reaching for it for almost every domain, largely thanks to the ADT's and amazing tooling, but it's a bit low level and sometimes tedious for certain sets of applications where more approachable languages, like Python and JS currently are the standard bearers.

Personally I think we would get really far with Rust, and some yet-to-exist higher level language with a modern type system built on top of the Cargo ecosystem.

Then maybe C and/or something like Zig for niche applications where extreme memory efficiency is the main constraint.

You can with basically any language. But it would likely be a bad idea. You will eventually have created such an abstraction that you’ve got a new language.

Django is written in C after all. ;)

Have you tried writing a web backend in Rust?

See Primeagen, a Senior Eng at Netflix w/ Rust as his #1 lang, and his experience writing a quick web backend in Go, Rust, and TS:

https://youtu.be/Z0GX2mTUtfo?t=267

to be quite honest, this kind of evangelism is what drives me away from rust.