Comment by abracat1 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by abracat1 | Hacker News Reader

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Part 2.

Your article also states that:

> However, it is a far from perfect analogue. Bryan Caplan cites evidence that immigrants to the U.S. commit crimes at a far lower rate than U.S. citizens.

So? This is expected! It shows the success of current immigration policies. The current policy is to only let the best of the best into the country (i.e. Those without criminal records and who has at least a degree in a technical field/ or doctor).

The blog post makes no argument that th crime rate of immigrants would still be lower if this barrier and selection would be removed (it would not!).

Furthemore, look at the South African example in this area - illegal immigrants (without work, etc...) turn to crime. Zimbabweans and Mozambiqucans esp. In violent crime. Many Nigerians ar involved in drug crime and other crimessuch as prostitution and human trafficing. Not pretty.

I strongly suspect that if South Africa enforced its border, Mugabe would have been overthrown.

But currently, most of the Zimbabweans that would be responsible for a coup de ta in Zimbabwe (18-40 year old males), are doing manual labour in South Africa.

The current policy is to only let the best of the best into the country (i.e. Those without criminal records and who has at least a degree in a technical field/ or doctor).

That is most certainly not current US immigration policy, which explicitly provides priority for family connections. Technical qualifications are a secondary factor and a modest advantage only for employer-applied visas. The vast bulk of visa applications are family-based.

The blog post makes no argument that th crime rate of immigrants would still be lower if this barrier and selection would be removed (it would not!).

[citation needed]

Usage of the word Apartheid in your link is bogus! The word Apartheid is only used in order to evoke white guilt.

Oh FFS. I have no guilt about being white but if you're going to argue that apartheid was in any sense a fair system then you're welcome to it.

> That is most certainly not current US immigration policy, which explicitly provides priority for family connections.

That is true. But the person who broughthif family over, how did he get here? Because he is skilled and already at the top of his field! So, a skilled person bringing over his family or an American whi brings over his foreign wife is already at the top of society.

I myself looked at immigration (chiefly yo USA, Ireland and Britain) - almost impossible for me to do if I didn't have an advanced degree.

> [citation needed]

You are willing to believe an unfounded assertian of the nlog post, yet evidence of countries with more liberal policies you ignore?

I stated the example of South Africa with an open border. In many Nordic countries with a liberal immigration policy, crime by immigrants is much higher (finland, sweden, etc...).

> i have no guilt about being white...

Yet the premise of article is that the world is divided into rich white people and poor black/asian people and the reason for that is "International Apartheid".

So according o the article, if a person supports rational immigration policies, he is a racist who supports global apartheid.

Perhaps you did not comphrehend the article or you feel the same - hence no need for white guilt since you support open borders.

> if you are going to argue...

I am not arguing that Apartheid was a fair system (it was not). Yet the world is a lot more nuanced than good/bad black/white.

South Africa is an extremely complex country (11 national languages, four capital cities, traditional leadeship, two Europen populations, massive inequality between black and white, rich black and poor black, inequality between urban and rural, more people on welfare (13 million) than tax payers (<5 million), probably more illegal immigrants than white people, more HIV+ people than tax payers, etc...). An incredibly complex (and interesting) country that you describe in terms of a black white world view.

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