'Kill everyone': Russian violence in Ukraine was strategic
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They are maybe the last major invading nation. UK, France, Germany et al gave up on it a while back, and China only really seems interested in getting back Taiwan and a bit of the South China Sea.
And all the news that came from the Russian side
Gheorgia, Syria, Chechnya, Ukranie...
And a lot of Russians also, of course. Young people sent to the meat grinder for no reason. Your lifes are mine, die for your Pharaoh.
Genocide in Irak was horrible, and we have the full authority to denounce this -and- other genocides.
There was no genocide in georgia, none in Syria apart from whom the islamists that CIA and Pentagon funded collectively massacred, neither in Cechnya, nor now in Ukraine. Like how Germans raped babies in Belgium in Ww I but they havent, like how Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers, like how Saddam gave rape kits to his soldiers, and now, voila - Putin is giving rape kits to his soldiers, the Mirror tells us, and legions of Angloamericans BELIEVE it and repeat it online.
ALL of those 'genocides' are claimed, 'proven' or confirmed by the very same Angloamerican and satellite organizations who literally MADE the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs lie. Considering how no revolution happened in the time period to overthrow who owns and controls those organizations, leave aside the actual Angloamerican establishment, believing them and what they say is as dumb as believing the Iraqi WMDs lie. Its as simple as that.
And, "Iraq was horrible". No. It wasnt 'horrible'. It was a systematic, calculated, cold blooded massacre that KEEPS REPEATING. Nikaragua. Ecuador. Vietnam. Now in Yemen. Every single place where the Angloamerican establishment got its hands at.
> we have the full authority to denounce this -and- other genocides.
No, you dont. For starters, you are totally not making the same noise and exhibiting the same outrage towards the sick f*cks who made happen Iraq and EVERY single case before Iraq and after Iraq. They are living in your midst. You are doing absolutely nothing to hold them accountable. You aren't even 'canceling' them. You aren't taking them to courts. You aren't trying to destroy the people and institutions that protect them. Based on the outrage that you are showing for everyone else's crimes, you should be out with torches and pitchforks, in front of those people's houses, demanding their heads. That's the level of outrage that you are directing at others. But of course, its much better to rant about others than your own ruling class.
Second, and worse, you literally HELP those people by repeating their smears about all the others' genocides. Best way to deflect the blame after all, is to smear others even if they are based on lies.
Therefore, if you want to claim ANY authority regarding any kind of human rights affair, deal with the sociopaths who are in your midst first, bring them to justice, prevent anyone from committing the same, and then come and talk. Otherwise, no, you dont have any authority on anything. All you people are doing is just repeating lies and smears. Then again, not so surprising, looking at the state of discourse in Angloamerican media - lies and smears sell.
> "there is not being a genocide in Ukraine now"
And my conversation with you ends right there. Anybody claiming this, at this point, is a fool.
Sheeeeshhh. THEY ARENT. The Ukrainian minister who claimed that was fired by her own government and as of this moment she is busy backstabbing her ex-employers by saying that "They made me say it".
I have listed FOUR cases of the SAME rape lie having been used since World War I. WHY would this time be 'different'.
> And my conversation with you ends right there. Anybody claiming this, at this point, is a fool.
Yeah. Anyone says that is a fool. Just like the fools who said that there were no WMDs in Iraq. Definitely they are fools for believing the same freaking lie for the FOURTH time in a row.
In my life, I've come to realize that every form of "leadership" or "governance" is eventually infected by those who wish to have power and control, even if the organization was founded on the most honest of principles by the most honest men and women that existed. Eventually, the ends justify the means, and that poison seeps into the whole organization, ruining it's goals and values from the inside. Sometimes it's truly evil on the scale of invading another country and killing people there (Iraq/Ukraine) or sometimes it's just a little thing, like your direct manager continuing to push for things that are harmful to your team or company, but both actions are simply to protect the person in power from losing face or harming their ego, so they can continue to be in power.
I have no doubt that most people, individually, are good and only want a good life for themselves and their families, but those who want power tend to migrate towards positions of control and power, such as government, and then tend to do whatever it takes to hold on to that power.
Either way, it does no one service to defend evil, no matter if it's the Russian or American form of evil.
Have you ever thought that the very government that claims EVERYONE ELSE is corrupt, is the actual corrupt one?
I mean, 80% of the world is corrupt. But, the one country that invaded and murdered everyone in the past 80 years, is not.
Does not that sound like crusader mentality in itself? Literaly religion, in which ONLY their faith is the right one and they are the only 'true' believers, smearing and attacking everyone else?
Except, the difference is that actual religion (christianity) is today replaced with 'democracy'. Because real religion does not sell anymore. Otherwise everything is the same - false preaching of the values of the religion without adhering to them and all that.
> Maybe that Russians are raping in Ukraine
Germans didnt rape in Belgium. Iraqis did not rape in Iraq. Gaddafi's soldiers did not rape in Libya. Russians are not raping in Ukraine. CHINA'S SOLDIERS WONT BE RAPING IN TAIWAN. Yes, that's the next thing. And Taiwan thing will happen JUST because the US wants to make it happen and its already arming Taiwan to use it as an attack dog against China. Then it will turn around and blame China for attacking unprovoked. The behavior pattern of a scheming, backstabbing, psychopatic bully.
So, no apologies: believing the same lie after THREE times is just dumb. That's it.
The ONLY reason why this establishment - the Angloamerican one - which is historically famous for this lying, smearing, backstabbing conduct...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion
... is able to keep lying and keep doing the same is because people like you give them the benefit of the doubt and forgive them EVERY time. Just because you identify with a few things that they say, or the establishment.
> Either way, it does no one service to defend evil
Yeah. It doesn't. Except the only ones who incessantly scream about everyone ELSE being evil and even inventing lies to smear everyone are the Angloamerican establishment. First, the target is smeared and vilified based on peripheral, tangential 'offenses' based on whatever dominant cultural paradigm rules the Angloamerican public discourse. After 4 to 5 years of smearing, lies are possible now, because the fools who were conditioned to believe that the targeted country is 'evil' will also believe the lies, thinking that 'they are evil, so they could do something like that'.
Its the 1000-year-old religious smearing and persecution mechanic, that runs on lies.
If you allow an environment in which liars can get away with what they do, that's what you end up with. Because, it worked in Ww I. It worked in Iraq. It worked in Libya. Syria. Nicaragua. Vietnam. It worked EVERY time. Why the hell they should stop lying when it just works.
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You, the people who believe them instead of persecuting them, enable this.
Maybe you need to go take a walk and cool down a bit and start to try and understand the person on the other side of the screen rather than just ascribe evil intent to them immediately based on a few keywords you saw when not reading their comment.
There is nothing 'rabid' in what I wrote. Im not Angloamerican, and such manner of speaking is pretty normal where I am.
Lets say for a moment that it was 'rabid'. That is precisely what is needed in Angloamerica to prevent such things from remaining as foreign policy. The sole reason why such things continue is because Angloamericans are WAY too tolerant and accepting of such outright sociopathy.
> in fact, agree that America and the Western power hegemony has done enormous evil in the world
You dont:
> I was simply stating that, no, Putin and the Russian power structures (and China or any other powerful, large organization) are not any better, they are simply using the facts about the West's evils to mask their own
...because you are just equalizing the unspeakable, systematic, cold blooded sociopathy of an establishment that is committed for the sake of profit with the alleged, even imagined evil deeds of its enemies. There isnt any equivalence in between the Angloamerican establishment and anyone else. Objectively so.
> Maybe you need to go take a walk and cool down a bit
Maybe you need to stop being so repressed a bit?
Again there is nothing wrong or odd about the way I wrote. Im not English. Not American. Not Scandinavian or Northern European.
> understand the person on the other side of the screen
There is nothing left that still needs 'understanding' after the events of the last 2 decades. Atrocity propaganda in Anglosphere is as alive as it was during Ww I, Angloamerican public is disposed to buy it as much as they were back in 1914, and that is the only reason why that establishment is able to keep its late 19th century, brutal imperialism going just like it was 1899.
The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head, clear signs of torture, thousands of witness-testimonies. Bucha, Irpin, Izium etc.
And all of it will look like tiddlywinks compared to when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day.
But if you want to believe it is all lies and evil nazi (or is it satanic these days?) NATO-propaganda, go ahead.
Just like the WMDs in Iraq. And the 'rape kits' of Gaddafi soldiers. The same rape kits which Russian soldiers seem to have now. And they are just like how Germans raped babies during Ww I in Belgium. It worked that one time and every single time after that, so they are still using atrocity propaganda. Because Angloamerican public are suckers for it.
> when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day.
Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened.
But of course, that will change absolutely nothing: Because by then you people will have moved to the new atrocity propaganda around the new war.
> NATO-propaganda, go ahead.
Having lived through NATO propaganda and lies first hand, yeah, I will go ahead.
This is such an extraordinary claim you must have a great evidence for it right?.
The dead in Bucha had white armbands. Those armbands are worn by local civilians who help in distributing the Russian-army supplied aid before the Russian army left the region and Ukrainian nationalists declared that they 'cleaned up the traitors'.
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The 'extraordinary claim' bit is interesting. Why should it be 'extraordinary'? Because Russia - or whomever the current Angloamerican enemy - is sufficiently demonized in the Western press that it is 'extraordinary' to say that something like this did not happen? How is that any different from the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs, how Saddam gave 'rape kits' to his soldiers, and then Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers and then now - surprise - Russia gives rape kits to its soldiers as we are told by The Mirror?
The SAME lie that was used against the Germans back in World war I, STILL being used in EVERY affair in which the UK or the US gets involved in, against their enemies?
Why the Western public are so big suckers for atrocity propaganda even as 80% of the world just does not buy the same bullsh*t?
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The only answer is that because you people WANT to believe such lies. It appeases the false superiority that is exercised over the farcical 'democracy and freedom' shtick, it creates social cohesion among the group and it projects the problems at home and the anger resulting from them to outside enemies. Which helps you to tolerate the real enemies that live in your midst, like the ones who rule your society - the ones whom you can do nothing about.
There is no other explanation for such an insistence on believing the same lies over and over and over and over.
You don't have to believe the Ukrainians on this, the UN had an independent report done on Ukraine that concluded the same thing.
The Russian army rapes children.
Here's my source
https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/09/update-chair-ind...
>> The Commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined. Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons. The exposure to repeated explosions, crimes, forced displacement and separation from family members deeply affected their well-being and mental health.
I don't see a source in your 3 paragraph response, so when you respond with one ill have a look.
"the UN" had done a lot of reports related to the Angloamerican propaganda in the past as well, and the results of each precisely reflected the agenda of whichever country was leading that particular commission at that given moment. This includes all the 'genocides' attributed to the enemies of the US.
Even worse, there were points in which entire institutions of the UN were subverted based on the clout of the country that ran enough commissions - so much that the UK literally awarded the presidency of the human rights commission to Saudi Arabia at that point, thanks to the vote power it had from 'countries' like Cayman Islands, Marshall Islands etc.
So, sorry, but I shall pass that as a source as well.
> I don't see a source in your 3 paragraph response, so when you respond with one ill have a look.
Neither do I see a source in your response.
Once again you say a lot with no proof, it’s easy to write paragraphs of nothingness that backup whatever propaganda you are trying to push or believe, it’s much harder to do it with an actual credible source.
> So, sorry, but I shall pass that as a source as well.
> Neither do I see a source in your response.
Did you miss the url I posted to the report?. Or are you simply dismissing anything that doesn’t fit the narrative you are trying to push?.
But regardless you haven’t posted any source for any of your claims and continue to write paragraph long replies with no evidence of anything.
There is nothing credible about 'independent' UN commissions. They are set up depending on who is the president of a given UN organization and the members composing it. It produces whatever the countries that compose that commission wants. Its not a democratic process that involves the general assembly that you could think 'the UN' said it. Its a bunch of people designated by a few countries that populate a given commission at any given point .Always has been like that.
Case in point: The Ukrainian government took over Bucha, but waited THREE weeks until they revealed the 'massacre'. Bucha's governor was posting tiktok videos from Bucha during the time showing Bucha and its streets, pretty upbeat, without mentioning anything regarding a 'massacre'.
Then the UK takes the presidency of the human rights commission and voila - suddenly there is a massacre, and an 'independent' commission created by the human rights commission with UK presidency makes a report to deceive people like you.
> Did you miss the url I posted to the report?
I didnt. You seem to have missed the part where I said how Saudi Arabia got the human rights commission presidency a while ago. Unlike you, I know how the UN and its commissions work.
If there was a massacre in Bucha, it would be revealed immediately after the Ukrainian army took over Bucha. Unless, it was the Ukranian nazis who committed it - as it appears to be - and they wanted to wait for the UK to get the HRC presidency to 'reveal' it.
Thats what 80% of the world thinks.
Your rambling multiple paragraph replies aren’t sources and won’t stop the fact that the world now knows that Russia tortures and rape civilians and children, and commits massacres and genocide in occupied territories.
This isn’t that surprising though as it’s not the first time the Russian army has decided to try and use civilian deaths and torture tactics as a method of war, Chechnya suffered similar horrors.
> Unless, it was the Ukranian nazis who committed it - as it appears to be - and they wanted to wait for the UK to get the HRC presidency to 'reveal' it.
I’m kinda interested how you square Wagner, the Russian nazi PMC that prides itself on torturing people and even have posted videos of them castrating Ukrainian solders with “nazi Ukrainians”.
There’s no proof of any of your claims and there never will be because none of it’s true.