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Comment by lupire | Hacker News Reader

4 posts with 250 total comments since yesterday:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=last24h&page=0&prefix=fals...

Thanks! Interesting -- the top post (156 points, 102 comments, from 14 hours ago) is now ranked #191, you have to go to page 7. Stories don't normally sink that quickly.

In contrast, for example, currently "Artificial Intelligence: The Revolution Hasn’t Happened Yet (2018)" is 68 points from 13 hours ago with 79 comments... and is ranked #41, on the 2nd page. Similarly, "What Is Code? (2015)" is 104 points, 37 comments, 14 hours ago, and ranked #46. This is normal ranking.

So clearly the mods intentionally applied a penalty ranking here (happens all the time) because they don't want it staying on the front page, where it would be seen and keep attracting upvotes and comments. Honestly wouldn't have guessed they'd want to dissuade discussion on this story.

It's user flags (they affect ranking) - apparently there is a clique of users which flagged each Musk/Twitter story.

See also this discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33366830

Oh wow, I had no idea flags worked as super-downvotes. I knew mods could downrank stories; didn't realize users could too. Thanks.

And thanks for that (indeed, flagged) link too -- glad I'm not the only one who noticed the glaring absence of this story.

I also didn’t know about this. There’s a problem with features like these - casual user doesn’t even realize it exists, but motivated actors can easily exploit it to correct the conversation.

`flag` is visible on the submission list pages underneath the submission title. It's not hidden in any way. Next to it is also `hide` which is what most people should use for content they're not interested in but that may be appropriate for the site overall. `hide` is also not hidden.

Existence of this function is not surprising to me, I knew it existed. I assumed it was a “mark for manual review by moderator”, not “super downvote”.

Interesting, I guess it made sense to me because I read the FAQ which describes and mentions user flags several times:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

> How are stories ranked?

> The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way.

> Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action.

To be fair, "flag" is short for "flag for review for removal by moderators", and has been for decades on internet forums. Making flags also downvote is counterintuitive, to say the least.

And people don't usually read the FAQ to double-check that basic forum features work in the intuitive way. :)

Here's a new related discussion with 157 comments at the moment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33371297

Ranking chart: https://hnrankings.info/33371297/

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