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As far as we are aware they have never spoken to AMD. They avoid every question in relation to AMD. I'm convinced they are just Intel fanboys over at framework now and have lost any desire to buy a laptop from them. Initially I was super excited. Dies off when they don't want to answer questions when they say 'ill answer any questions...'

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Linus "Tech Tips" Sebastian introduced the Framework team to the highest level people at AMD he knew last year after his investment in Framework but as of his update video a couple of months ago, nothing really went anywhere.

I highly doubt it's a fanboying issue, they're a small company with big challenges and supporting multiple platforms is not easy at any scale. They also wouldn't want to say anything positive or negative that could sour relations with AMD or other partners in future.

supporting multiple platforms is not easy at any scale

Indeed, but considering that Ryzen 5000 was better than 11th gen and Ryzen 6000 is better than 12th gen the solution is obvious: AMD only.

Ryzen 5000 didn't have USB4 (TB3) support so that was a no-go - Framework uses 4 x Burnside Bridge ( JHL8040R) TB4 re-timers [1], one for each of their expansion module plugs. Ryzen 6000 uses Kandou retimers, which is probably a much bigger lift than plopping 12th Gen in (looks like the PD controller was refreshed (and the RTC fixed) but basically the rest of the board stayed the same [2]).

I think one thing to keep in mind also is that for whatever reason, 10 months after launch, the number of Ryzen 6000U laptops I've ever seen advertised for sale I can count on one hand (I was watching all year, I would have much preferred a Ryzen 6800U laptop!). Currently, only the Asus Zenbook S 13 and Lenovo ThinkBook 13s are available in retail stores in the US (Amazon and Newegg, respectively). In the EU, Geizhals search turns up exactly 1 6800U model (Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7). [3] Personally, I'm not convinced Ryzen 6000U ever actually shipped in quantity...

[1] https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard/blob/main/Ele...

[2] https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard/blob/main/Ele...

[3] https://geizhals.eu/?cat=nb&xf=6751_26&asuch=6800u&bpmin=&bp...

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