Ask HN: Is DDG Becoming Unusable?
I've noticed that the quality of search results has dropped precipitously in the past few months. Now, almost every search ends with "g!". I'm wondering if it is just me or are others noticing this?
As soon as gaming a search engine becomes financially profitable, the hoards of “SEO”s develop methods to do so.
On plus side, this means ddg is finally getting noticed, on the minus side, this means they need to react fast or lose ground to the competition that’s relatively better able to fend off spam.
Btw, this is also why search engines only grow big (or go home). Fending off spam is very very expensive and thankless job!
> I think that a class of people, who ask kind of questions that need absolute guarantee of anonymity (I am thinking terrorists, drug dealers, traffickers etc) are:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29844665
That's the main reason I haven't tried it.
He says: there are a class of people, criminals, who need x/y/z properties of a search engine… and that’s not what we provide.
He makes the difference between Privacy (which Kagi apparently provides) and true anonymity (which appears to be out of scope for them). Sounds a lot like DDG vs, say, Tor. The former is very privacy conscious, the latter is attempting to be provably anonymous to a level sufficient for life-or-death personal safety.
There are endless scenarios where a person may not want their searches being individually identifiable where they aren't a terrorists, drug dealers or trafficker.
Imagine the scenario where 13 US states banned women eating Fuji apples and a new administration takes over and is really motivated to enforce that ban. Kagi is absolutely able to report the identity of users who search for specific keywords, "mail order Fuji apples", etc.
A malicious Kagi engineer could track someone's searches, for example as part of a campaign of stalking or harassment.
Not sure why you misinterpreted what I said while having my quote right in front of you ? Note that I used the word "anonymity" in that sentence, and not the word "privacy" like you interpreted (perhaps you took the two as synonyms, but these are two very different things and are often conflated).
I am not sure that true discrete anonymity is possible on the web and if it is, it would be very expensive to get. Kagi is definetely not pretending to be offering anything of the kind (mostly due to paid nature of the service, although there are steps that can be taken like near-anonoymous email addresses and payment cards to achieve a solid level of anonymity with Kagi).
On the other hand, I do believe that privacy online should be a right of every single person on this planet. We are 100% commited to user-privacy. Our products - both search and browser - have zero tracking and zero telemetry (this is easilly verifiable). User private information is only a liability for us and is not something we need or want. We are in the business of selling search as a product, not selling ads or data.
Happy that clarifies it, happy to answer any questions.
He makes a useful distinction between designing for privacy, and being unable to report on what users are doing, and building a system that is anonymous at a level of something like Tor.
He could certainly have added in another example to his list, perhaps a dissident under a dangerous regime, but the meaning was clear to me.
Personally, I think the comment is a fair one, and that it’s unreasonable to take offence to it, although I can see why some at the fringes of privacy advocacy, perhaps those already using Tor for all their web usage, or only paying with cash, might consider Kagi to be beneath them.
English is my second language and looking back I agree what I wrote may sound clumsy. I am also an active HNer and do not miss a chance to contribute to a discussion!
Hard nope, that guy's trouble. He's not one of us.
It sounds like you’ve misread, or at least misinterpreted, and I do agree the wording is a little clumsy. I’d urge you to re-read it without assuming intent and see what it actually says.
Which is nothing but a strawman, given that the question was:
> How would you solve the issue of self-censorship when the exact identity of a searcher is known?
How is "we don't serve criminals" a valid answer to that?
For 10 euro you can get Netflix, Spotify. My Ring security subscription is also a tenner. Pretty much everything that has a subscription model targets 10 euro as a minimum. I don't really know why, all these tenners add up a lot. I'm even dropping Spotify now some months (especially because when I drop it, the next month they offer me 3 months for a tenner to come back, which I find a lot more reasonable as I don't use it much).
Kagi does really sound like it is easier to provide and should not cost as much. It feels like they are expecting super-heavy users. Their 50 free searches a month is not enough for me but I could probably do with 100 or 200. But there is no intermediate subscription, it's just 50 free or unlimited for a tenner.
> They are expecting suepr heavy users. They probably should be as most of thier users would be tech savy which by itself means a lot of searching so probably pricing is right according to the maintenance costs.
Why don't search engines actively sabotage Pinterest?/
For some reason "" has become equivalent with - in the world of search engines.
The world of search engines is nearly as frustrating as the world of web browsers, or dare I say Linux distros; on the srface, a lot of choice. But, underneath, much of it is just the same old thing, with a different front end.
DDG is just bing of course.
Cloudflare have a few good posts for context.
data driven gevelopment?
edit: okay duckduckgo lol
i hate it, still low quality search results for most of my use cases in programming related search.