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I'm a rider myself, I rarely have close calls and I chop it up to basically the same anecdotal data. But at least for the US where I live and the standards for getting a license seem to be much worse than many other parts of the world I've visited/heard of, I'd wager a decent part of it is simply rider skill.

I know way too many riders who never practice, can barely pull a U-turn from a stop, don't know how to use their front brake effectively, and vastly overestimate their abilities. And then if a car even dares to accidentally not see them because they sat in their blind spot they flip a shit. I know riders who are very good, but unfortunately in the place I live I know many many more who are just not very good and ride very unaware of everything around them. And unlike driving a car, there is a different skill floor/ceiling to be considered competent.

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> And then if a car even dares to accidentally not see them because they sat in their blind spot they flip a shit

Oh god, that is the most annoying complaint I ever hear. Such a common post on any moto-focused discussion site. Usually involves an idiot on a bike cruising next to a car and then overreacting when the car begins to merge into their lane. Happens all the fucking time if you've ridden for longer than a day. Get over it and get better at anticipating it.

Two rules of riding that have kept me safe for a couple hundred thousand miles of riding:

1. Always assume the cars next to you will merge into your lane.

2. ABP, Always Be Passing. Going at the flow of traffic is dangerous. Going slower than traffic is even more dangerous.

ABP, Always Be Passing. This cannot be overstated, it's a lot easier to deal with problems in your field of vision than ones rapidly approaching from behind. That's also why filtering is so important, and it's heinous that it's not allowed in some (most?) states. If you're able to filter you can use your superior acceleration to always be ahead of cars.

It's true of bikes too, that's why treating red lights as stop signs on a bicycle is something that needs wider legal adoption. I often do it anyway and it means that in city traffic I am sometimes able to traverse a block without ever being passed by a car.

"treating red lights as stop signs" as in being able to go through red lights? Or am I mistaken?

I'm not sure I understand your question precisely, but this article will probably answer it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

Sorry I didn't realise this existed, does it mean that as a cyclist you can ride through a red light permitted there is no traffic and you first come to a complete stop?

Yes! Rider education and constantly practicing is key. It also helps you enjoy motorcycling more too.

> Rider education and constantly practicing is key. It also helps you enjoy motorcycling more too.

I don't think many non-motorcyclists get this aspect of riding, ie. that the activity itself is one to be honed and reflected on, and that treating it this way makes the mere act of transporting yourself from one place to another (which is essentially dead time for many car drivers) a keen and vital part of life.

That's an interesting thought: the less you ride the worse you are, so you absolutely have to ride often to maintain your safety profile. I imagine one of the least safe things might be an experienced rider not being able to ride for a while, and not taking that into account. I'm less angry at my neighbors with loud bikes riding all the time, thanks to your comment, because at least they are staying safer than if they just did it once a month or something (and I do like my neighbors, aside from 5am VROOM-VROOM noises).

Riding a lot absolutely helps get better, but there is also such a thing as deliberate practice for uncommon situations. Riding 100000 miles straight is very different from riding 10000 miles in twisty turns, around sharp corners, practicing your emergency-braking, etc. Even if its just 5 minutes or so doing these a week, it makes you a vastly better rider.

Every time I have to take extended time away from riding for some reason, I always immediately start off with a parking lot session of riding around, getting back into the groove. It doesn't take very long for it all to come back with just a bit of deliberate practice.

But there are what we call weekend warriors, and many, especially in the US store away their bike for half the year as well. There are many riders who barely put more than even a couple thousand miles a year on their bikes. And these are some of the most dangerous riders to be around, especially if they have an ego.

This is definitely the case. I don't trust myself when I've had a few weeks off the bike until I've done some proper practise again. The biggest obvious drop-off is attention - mind-wandering is verboten when riding, and creeps back if you're not used to maintaining concentration. Specific skills like front-brake control also need maintenance, and can always improve, whatever the experience level, as they're pretty subtle. A fortiori for reading the road and driver behaviour.

> I'm less angry at my neighbors with loud bikes riding all the time

Well that's pleasantly tolerant. The consideration should work both ways, but the nature of some of the motorcyclist population doesn't always lend itself that way unfortunately.

> mind-wandering is verboten when riding

This is what I like about commuting by motorbike, even in a city. You are forced to stop thinking about work on the way home. You have to be present and mindful.

A version of meditation or mindfulness in a sense.

And it doesn't matter what bike you have.

absolutely true, same reason I ride brakeless

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