RejoinEU – About UK to rejoin EU possibility (aka Reverse Brexit)
rejoineu.uk
rejoineu.uk
I'm also doubtful the public will is there in the UK, either. I wish I could say with confidence that if we had another referendum tomorrow on whether to rejoin or stay out, rejoin would comfortably win but I can't. It's one of those things which seems so obvious if you support one side, you just can't see how the other can possibly take the position they do.
In respect of the site, it's not going to persuade anyone who was either in favour of Brexit or on the fence, is it? It's clearly designed to preach to the choir. But partisanship and ideological bubbles is how we ended up in such a mess in the first place. If any campaign is serious about rejoining, they need to accept two things, IMO - first, that it's a generational cause, not something which will be achieved within a few years, and second, that any campaign will only succeed by making concessions with the EU and the pro-Brexit faction among the public, by understanding them and by forming a new relationship. To call this task gargantuan is an understatement.
Is there anything positive to this “one nation can veto everything” rule? It feels like this is really blocking a lot of progress in the EU where some of the right-spectrum nations can simply block anything or bargain from.
Why do we have this rule and is it hard to get rid of it?
Many people, and nations, would be hesitant to join a union where you can be coerced to tolerate neighbors you otherwise wouldn't. Hence the idea of consensus.
It's that exact trend that led to Brexit in the first place - your comment shows why it's problematic perfectly. EU supporters see it as a way to force left wing politics onto populations that otherwise would reject it.
You cannot really get to anything you can call democratic voting, it would be so random and indirect that it would basically become meaningless. So states still need a hard veto for themselves and the direction the EU will develop in.
That said, this site just lacks the appeal to me. The rickroll is cute, but it just underlines a website style which feels a bit unserious, and while I certainly think this sort of thing shouldn’t be dry and depressing, it does sort of undercut it (especially considering the privacy popup is full-screen on mobile, which is a design no-no in my eyes).
As much as I hate to say it, the best course of action is to lean into rhetoric on key data points, like the infamous “£350m to NHS” on the side of a bus. While the site clearly feels like a project of serious passion, it feels like it lacks any punchiness, any meaningful slogans, any real impetus. “We want our star back” as a slogan implies to me that this site’s focus is preaching to the converted, which will at best put people off and at worst distract people from ways they can actually encourage better UK-EU relations.
This isn’t something that will even be on the table for likely a good general election or three, but even still, it feels like a focus on figures with a minimalist style would be a better approach.
While Don’t Pay UK [1] sort of had a rough time, you can’t deny their website and approach to messaging is quite appealing, probably because they’ve been taking notes from the Civil Service’s own excellent design style for the gov.uk site [2]. Then it’s a case of re-injecting a bit of flair into the style, star-based or otherwise, rather than going all in on CSS animations that undercut the message.
But, while a bit amateur-ish, it's a nice initiative.
I honestly didn't liked UK leaving EU. I believe EU - which I'm part of - got weakened by Brexit.
However, the worst part, I believe, was left for Britons... I don't think they really saw it coming!!!
They shoot themselves in the foot on that decision. (personal opinion, naturally)
There are clearly good sides. The UK is still a big and powerfull country, nobody wants Irish or Scottish political instability, and it's a great morale booster to have a leaver come back.
But the UK had plenty of dark sides. They always wanted an exception for everything, with the pound not being an euro the famous example. The UK firmly pushed the EU in the 'economic union' direction, so now the advocates of deeper political unification get a chance. There was the only-half-joke from Yes Minister about how the UK only joined because they couldn't break the EU from the outside.
I presume the UK has not really demonstrated what really happens outside the EU. First Covid and now Ukraine are 2 major excuses for bad news, so the pro-leavers can still claim they are right. The EU probably wants to see some more pain in the UK first, to convince other doubters. But not too much.
So while the UK probably could get back in, it might be on much less favorable terms than they had in the past and take a while.
But nothing for the rest of this parliament or the next, probably. Starmer's not bold and/or reckless enough.
(Yeah I know, in reality it's not that simple...)
And you would probably need to give up the pound as well.
And change your driving direction from left to right.
Apart from pints in the pub, and road distances. Everything else is metric.
and as a result: it will never, ever happen
If you're going to rickroll people who decline data processing consent, may as well just not ask for it - neither option is compliant.
I'm not saying no to joining the European Union or the American Union, but if it's the USA, no it would not be just 1 new state. And Northern Ireland may have other ideas of who to join.
No, you can't. The Republic of Ireland is very much part of the European Union of States.
But, from my POV, UK is just too desirable and powerful.
(I don't belong to UK, by the way)
You have to consider that the EU is not monolithic. The UK that pushed to get southern and eastern countries into the union to grow the trade power of the customs union. France and some other EU countries probably would have preferred a more "core Europe" of countries of similar wealth and histories.
France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power. France and the UK were often at odds about what the EU should be.
Until Germany wakes up from their dream, which it looks they did after the Ukrainian invasion and the 100 billion euro budget for the Bundeswehr.
Its going to take time(if they stick with it), but if Germany continues to arm it self, I wouldn't be surprised if they become the new European superpower, maybe they just need Nuclear weapons at the end to seal the deal?(although I really doubt this will go down well with the population).
UK as a full, voting member of the EU, on request? Not going to happen any time soon. Far too many downsides from the crazy brits. The UK would have to prove to the EU that they are going to be constructive, have worked all of the Brexit insanity out of their system and it wasn't coming back. This might take a while.
UK as an "EU aligned rule-taker" that participates in the single market, without voting rights, a bit like Norway? Sure, that's an easy win for both parties.
No, the UK won't have any voting power as a full member in the EU for quite a while, the EU will not allow that soon. 5-10 years seems optimistic IMHO.