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For anyone curious about any background on Phil Haack. Here are his notable accomplishments.

- MS Lead on ASP.net MVC framework vers. 1 through 3 (current)

- Lead on the NuGet package manager framework for Visual Studio

- This Developer's Life Podcast with Scott Hanselman

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I think I owe this man some kind of expensive liquor for MVC--especially MVC3. I truly loathed ASP.NET projects until MVC3. Some will argue that people use it wrong and/or the traditional Web Forms have their advantages, but I can't really think of many situations where I'd rather do it the old way.

You and me both. And I've done my part try to convert every other WebForms developer that I meet. Things are just awesome now with MVC3.

One situation, when the CMS you are working with doesn't support MVC yet

I owe him more than that, MVC is epic, and has pretty much fuelled my love for .NET. If it were scientifically possible (Arnie didn't really father a child in Junior, right?) I would have his baby. I'm nice like that.

But alas he sought pastures greener and I am happy for him. My dabbling in git from my windows machine hasn't been smooth to say the least. Hopefully Haack's new role will remedy that, and for that I will fund further research into male pregnancy.

Phil also invented C#, the Faux Hawk, and Daft Punk

"... Phil also invented C# ..."

Anders Hejlsberg is credited as being the principal designer & architect of C# at Microsoft [0] and I don't see this listed on Phil Haacks resume. [1]

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg#At_Microsoft

[1] http://haacked.com/Docs/PhillipHaack_Resume.html

Being as he also neither invented the fauxhawk, nor has he written any mediocre parisian disco-house, I'm guessing it was some sort of joke.

When presented the opportunity you chose to take a dig at Daft Punk, but not the fauxhawk? Some things I will never understand...

I was going to have a go at that as well, (mainly the word, seriously, who says fauk-hawke?) but I thought that'd be laying it on a bit thick.

The whole 'wacky french house' thing has been done better.

http://soundcloud.com/para-one/canblaster-clockworks-para-on...

http://soundcloud.com/panteros666/panteros666-javelin-o

> who says fauk-hawke

It rhymes with "Mohawk". "Faux" is the French word for fake, pronounced like "fow". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux

Except using a French word in the context is pretentious and phoney. Maybe there's a word for that...

I know what it means; it's a hairstyle for people who can cope with the clippers but can't handle the woodglue anymore.

It was more the ugly portmanteau (phoney!) itself which I objected to.

EDIT: although I see now that I did manage to misspell it. How embarrassing.

I like both of those songs, but they came out 15 years after daft punk and I am sure count them as a major influence.

Rob Conery is teasing. And Rob Connery, not Phil Haack does the "This Developer's Life" Podcast. Hence the joke. If Anders Hejlsberg replied, the thread would be complete.

Yep. The fauxhawk - that was me.

On a side note, Anders is really interesting person to listen to when he unveils new features and gives talks. He seems really modest and knows the limitations/advantages of a managed language. But, most of all, I always get the impression he is in tune with the needs/desires of the community.

I'm unable to edit my blunderous original post, but as others have pointed out, Rob Conery is the host of This Developer's Life (an excellent podcast) and not Phil Haack. Honest mistake.

I think This Developer's Life is hosted by Rob Conery.

Both Scott Hanselman and Rob Conery collaborate on This Developer's Life.

Yep, I had nothing to do with TDL. Wish I could claim it, but I can't. I mean, I guess I could and lie about it, but no. Won't do that. Not yet anyways. :)

You are an accomplished ballroom dancer, though.

He's not that good. Doesn't lead and won't follow. Dead weight most of the time, although pretty good with the dips.

Honest mistake guys, I've listened to almost every episode and had no idea. All the jokes about the Hawaiian shirts and I've been thinking of the wrong person.

Github is my social network. I wake up into it, i follow it, push to it during the day, and I survey it before sleep. I love Github (in fact i'm inlove with Github). I depend on Github. I don't do facebook, g+ or twitter for socializing.

I used to admire Haack aswell. He's a great guy. However I fell out of love with .net.

I am a polyglot programmer, with strong background in .net. To understand these Haack's "accomplishments", please look at history (google). There is nothing genious about MVC3, towards other MVC web frameworks, and its 'advanced' 3 version, it sucks really bad in testing. (I'm also an author of a .net web framework that pits against it pretty well in this regard).

* MVC - monorail -> rails. * NuGet - nupak - nu -> really rubygems. * podcast - well, whatever.

I wouldn't like to fall out of love with Github.

Your claims aren't to the point at all. Even if he didn't come up with those things originally, he introduced them to a massive community of developers, that's already one great step!.

Being a great guy as he is, I'm sure he'll push to positive in anything he'd do!.

I'm pretty sure that .NET developers won't take away from its awesomeness. Quite the contrary, I think that if more .NET developers are opening up to how things work outside of their environment, we'll see a lot more openness and collaboration coming from .NET devs.

And then maybe this whole us versus them thing will stop.

    There is nothing genious about MVC3

As a Python developer, I don't think there's anything genius about Ruby on Rails either. It's just a bunch of borrowed features that were added with good taste + marketing + community enhancements. Overall the whole package is great, but it does stand on the shoulders of giants nonetheless. Borrowing stuff is not a sin - if anything I blame Microsoft for the often displayed NIH syndrome.

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