Stablecoin Mechanics 2: Tether-Celsius
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Prime money market funds are kept at $1 as long as "all is well", while the bank responsible buys and sells dollar-based instruments (such as commercial paper and US Treasuries). Also the whole SEC regulation thing to ensure proper liquidity levels (30% must mature in a week), and other such guarantees.
Savings accounts have additional requirements that allow for FDIC insurance. Money market is "risk" but not much risk (one fund dropped to 97-cents per dollar back in 2007 for example). So its possible to "break the buck" but very very rare. And US Laws/regulations changed in response to that 2007 failure.
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Real life money markets are yielding about 2.95% right now. Anyone offering more than that is taking on risk and/or lying to you. That's what highly ranked commercial paper can get you today.
In a few weeks, the Fed is expected to raise rates. We'll be at 3.75%, then 4.5% probably by the end of the year (?? Hard to tell the future though). So we're back into a realm where cash holdings can generate returns.
Anyone seeking 10% to 20% returns from a "Stablecoin" is taking on some kind of risk. Much like Celsius, any one returning that much is lying about something (or trusting somebody else's money and that someone else is lying to them).
>If you want a "legitimate stablecoin", get a savings account and/or money-market account and/or money market fund.
In my state, I can walk into a bank and legally carry a concealed firearm without any ID whatsoever -- and yet not be allowed to open an account and put $20, even with a valid US passport (it doesn't show proof of address).
Want to put a damper on stablecoins? End KYC/AML/FATCA. If you can be trusted to carry a gun in the bank you ought to be trusted to put $20 into a new account.
If I am a licensed pyrotechnician and have legal access to high explosives, does that also mean I should be able to open a daycare with no additional checks or licenses?
What am I missing?
If I am a licensed pyrotechnician and am allowed to bring high explosives in the bank, does that also mean I should be able to deposit $20 into a new account at the bank? I would hope the answer is yes; if you can be trusted with high explosives in the bank you ought to be trusted to open the account and put $20 in.
Why? What does holding a pyrotechnician's license have to do with opening a bank account? Can you get a driver's license automatically as well when you are a pyrotechnician? The reason that bank accounts need proper identification is not something that I can comment on with authority, but whatever the reasoning is, it has nothing to do with whether you can carry and operate a firearm responsibly. The two have nothing to do with each other.
>The two have nothing to do with each other.
And yet they do have something to do with each other. If they had absolutely nothing to do with each other, you wouldn't become a prohibited possessor (can't have/carry guns) for committing bank related fraud and other account related felonies. The state has decided they're connected so intensely that you can go to jail for 10+ years if you committed felonies against the bank and then carry a gun. The trust, by fiat, is interconnected.
A person feeling safe around another person does not satisfy the government ID requirements for anything. Does it work when you show up at the DMV asking for a license? Are you upset that it doesn't?
Opening a bank account is not a trivial matter. A bank account has the potential to do a lot more damage to society than a single firearm.
> you are not part of the audience which I expect to benefit from my comment.
What is the benefit of your comment? In my opinion false equivalencies and over-the-top rhetoric are rarely beneficial.
>A bank account has the potential to do a lot more damage to society than a single firearm.
I think there is a strong argument there is a lot more day to day damage from not having a bank account than not having a gun. When we use your damage-based approach I think we may find KYC creates more damages than it prevents.
Are you advocating for removing KYC completely, or for making it on par with getting a concealed weapon, or that having a concealed weapons permit should qualify as KYC? This is the problem with using the kind of rhetoric that appeals to emotion -- it doesn't actually get your point across, it just gets people upset about something.
It's fairly clear to me that the problem is with the latter's weakness and not with the former's strength.
[0] https://www.bankmillennium.pl/en/individuals/current-account...
I can confidently buy Schwab, Capital One, Vanguard, or other funds in the USA (without any research) because the US Government regulates the words "Money Market". Anyone claiming to be "Money Market" follows strict regulations and guidelines.
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This is NOT true for stablecoins. Stablecoins attempt to recreate the same thing but without openness, without regulations, and without audits.
They work because people "want" them. Everyone wants a bank, especially one tied to the US Dollar. Unfortunately, the easiest way to get one is to simply lie about your connections.
Do we truly know that Tether is tied to the US Dollar? No. We don't. There's been no audits. The yields generated from such loans are innately at risk. I recognize that people in other countries want that kind of trust, but you can't just fake trust. You have to rebuild it up from the ground up.
In those other countries, other entities must build that trust for themselves. Tether obviously wants to be such an entity, but I have my doubts to their legitimacy and safety.
Things to buy with currencies experiencing inflation - hard assets with steady or increasing demand will probably do well over the next decade, but even those still have downside market risk as recession starts to bite, central banks keep tightening and all assets get repriced lower - likely lower than than current inflation.
With cash the only downside risk is persistent inflation - holding cash is ok for some time, but not forever. The value will get eaten away with inflation over time.
This is assuming you have available access to financial markets and US dollars. If you don't, I can see how stablecoins like USDC become attractive, perhaps even crypto like bitcoin and ethereum. Just stay away from the dodgy stuff - if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
Acceptable to me. Consumer/investors just need to be more discerning and pragmatic. There is nothing wrong with risk. There is something wrong with obsessing over there being no risk till you get duped by a fantasy you wanted to hear.
Fortunately, many crypto interest rates are really just shares of a revenue stream - usually transaction volume where some value is being extracted - and this revenue collection velocity is repackaged as "interest rates" because it is familiar to passive-income obsessed people. on top of that, the "rates" are juiced by the issuance of an additional new token. So that will remain attractive as a human and capital coordination mechanism.
Now the seller has real money and does something with it and either makes more real money or looses it.
I get my dollar back or not.
I mean don't get me wrong but even Ponzi had to work a little bit more for his thing?!
Don't get me wrong, they can still be scams. The only difference is that unlike a typical ponzi, it is possible to have a sustainable and profitable business model with a stable coin.
I guess it's possible, but only within the limits of the current general interest rates. there is no magic world of safe investments returning higher interest than the safest bonds
Basically, the reason is that the Government print a lot of money which result in high/hyper inflation, but then create all these obstacles for the locals to run transactions in more stable currencies (e.g. USD). The locals use Stable coins to facilitate transactions that would otherwise be very hard or impossible to perform in local currencies (e.g. buying a house).
Incorrect, Argentina has problems with currency stability because they issue debt denominated in a currency they do not issue in order to satisfy import requirements
People want to hold dollars without following KYC. Stablecoins temporarily fill this niche. (There is zero chance this is allowed to persist. But it won’t be a priority until we catch serious bad guys laundering money with stablecoins.)
This is the core issue.
Note that you can't go to Tether and demand your $1 back as an individual. You would have to use an exchange and hope that you can trade 1 Tether for 1 dollar on an exchange where you can cash out.
Note that the company that owns Tether also owns and exchange, which further opens the door for a lot of fraud and shenanigans as they co-mingle exchange deposits with their Tether reserves. It's possible for exchanges to run for a long time without actually having 100% of funds in reserve as long as the customers don't all withdraw their funds at the same time.
In other words: A hypothetical fraudulent stable coin could "work" for a long time, until it suddenly doesn't work at all and the value plummets.
Sounds exactly like what happened to the dollar itself, which once upon a time used to be a "stablecoin" pegged to gold.
It was pegged soundly to $35 per ounce of gold for decades. It was even ok with the one time 'repegging' from $20 to $35 in 1932 to deal with the Great Depression. But then when we finally broke the gold peg in 1971 and then all the pent up cheating broke free and the price crashed to ~$160 per ounce in only 3 years, and then all the way to $630 after 10 years.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-...
The digital world moves fast.
If you don't believe me, keep your eye on the foreign exchanges for the next, oh, year or so. Hopefully that's a generous enough time frame, since trying to guess how long the paper mache coverings can be slapped up and held together is always very hard, but there's a lot of "pegged" currencies in the world that are not going to be pegged for much longer because they simply won't be able to be.
If you want to call this a Ponzi scheme, then you have to be fair and consistent and call the dollar system "the other Ponzi" scheme too (because your 1 dollar purchasing power is not the same as todays).
Which one would you rather owe you?
There's a massive difference between "we issue a token which has purchasing power because people are legally required to obtain it to pay their debts and taxes. Its purchasing power is allowed to slowly diminish over time, but it will continue to be demanded because people need it to meet obligations" and "we issue a token and lie that it's worth a dollar because it's backed by an equivalent quantity of dollars. Its purchasing power will collapse at the time we stop redeeming them for dollars, whether that's because we run out, get arrested or move on to the next grift with lots of un-redeemed dollars in our pockets"
Just assume you really don't know: you bet that 1. This has some advantage for you while the company bets it has some advantage for them. Great bet everyone wins?!
2.also with every bet the company makes with others does what to your bet?
What's weird is that crypto folks often complain about people printing money and causing inflation. But that's the whole crypto ecosystem. If something can be used as currency, it doesn't matter if the U.S. government is printing one dollar and handing it to somebody so that they can buy goods or if a crypto project is printing one NotDollar that has the same amount of worth and can be used to buy the same amount of things.
Tether now only holds US treasury assets.
"because it is in Mandarin."
Like what the actual fuck.
Office Space: What if - and believe me this is a hypothetical - but what if you were able to translate the audit. Would that do anything for you?
Source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/tether-really-isnt-a-scam-com...
And straight from the horse's mouth: https://tether.to/en/tether-update/ (search 'Auditors')
They have repeatedly been forced to admit in court that they lied in the past. They have also had reserves invested with a fake bank whose CEO stole money from them and is now convicted in bank fraud. They claimed to be one of the largest holders of specific asset classes, but nobody trading those has any memory of trading them. And so on and so forth.
The refusing to allow a real audit is just icing on a cake consisting of a mountain of evidence of fraud.
As Matt Levine memorably said, they are "practically quilted out of red flags."
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-a...
So they must be "backed" by something, we just don't know whom or how, that allows them to keep their scheme running.
https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1580269516331720706
Still his reason to make that bet was the comedy of being proven right about how broken crypto is when he lost his money. And not for the opportunity to be proven right and make money.
The commercial paper market is small, and everyone in the market pretty much knows everyone else.
No one ever noticed a new player - and in the time Tether expanded its balance sheet by $30Bn - there wasn't even enough commercial paper printed if Tether bought it all: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-10-07/crypto-my...
The easiest way to preserve value in a bear market is to have no value to preserve in the first place [=
The US commercial paper market is the largest in the world: https://www.bloombergprep.com/practice/cfa/10b/lesson/5cf41e....
Look, Tether said they don't own any Chinese commercial paper: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-27/tether-sa...
I don't know why you'd believe they have commercial paper - but think they lied about what kind of commercial paper they had.
You can't go out and find $30B worth of commercial paper that no one else knows about and buy it in 3 months.
When governments around the world were stuffing everyone and every company to the brim with money - and banks couldn't find anyone to borrow money beside people to buy third homes in Ibiza - how did Tether find a bunch of companies that wanted to print $30B of commercial paper in 3 months that no one in the market was competing for?
Oh - and also - this heretofore undiscovered market was bigger than the previously known commercial paper market?
Yeah, right... It didn't happen.
> How do we know this? Because we can see Celsius borrowing from Tether. And we now know those loans were collateralized.
> We do not know the precise collateral arrangements except that Alex Mashinsky told the FT:
> If you give them enough collateral, liquid collateral, bitcoin, ethereum and so on . . . they will mint tether against it
It isn't USD, it isn't treasuries, it isn't commercial paper (Chinese or otherwise). At the end of the day it is going to be 90% crypto collaterialized loans that makes up Tether.
It is so weird to clearly read an article about the funding mechanism behind Tether and people literally refuse to read it correctly and start yapping about commercial paper.
1. Celsius calls up Tether and asks for $30Bn to buy Bitcoins.
2. Tether says, sure, prints 30 Bn USDT out of thin air, gives it to Celsius, and Celsius uses that to buy Bitcoins.
3. Celsius collects a bunch of money from retail investors.
4. Celsius steals all the Bitcoins and files for bankruptcy - and, oopsie, the retail investors lose everything.
The Celsius insiders obviously get something out of this. They got Bitcoins for nothing. They can and did sell those Bitcoins for the miniscule fiat liquidity that exists for Bitcoin.
What does Tether get? They're printing funny money out of thin air. Sure, it doesn't cost them anything. But they have to know that none of that funny money is going to get paid back with real money.
So why lend Tethers to someone else, so they can sell Bitcoins for real money - instead of just printing Tethers for themselves to capture all fiat inflows?
Celsius has Bitcoins. They borrow $30bn against those Bitcoins from Tether. Tether charges interest.
2. They call up Tether who loans them $500M worth of USDT which they can use as a more liquid security to loan out or trade crypto with.
3. They pay interest to Tether on the loan in crypto.
4. Eventually they have to pay back the USDT loan with USDT, although if their BTC value hasn't declined they probably extend the loan period instead -- although sending the USDT back is probably how Tether gets burned.
5. If the loans are denominated in $USD and Tether accepts USDT at the market rate for paying back the loans that would be a mechanism that would naturally pin Tether to the $USD via arbitrage by people who want to buy a cheaper USDT token to pay back their loans with whenever Tether falls, and don't want to be actively paying back Tether with their USDT when the price has fallen.
> But they have to know that none of that funny money is going to get paid back with real money.
To first order, none of it is about $USD so literally nobody cares, and its all just funny money collateralized by other funny money.
It is very much like someone sitting on a vault full of Gold (the BTC cold wallet) that wants to borrow money (the USDT in the crypto space) in order to have liquidity (buy crypto shit with it).
Chinese commercial paper had a large wave of delinquencies earlier this year (https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/china-commercial...). The chances of Tether's holdings having zero defaults amongst all of that is... low.
Tether has an easy fix here: release the "frequent professional audits" they claimed on their website as far back as 2015 (https://archive.ph/mVPmL). They've provided various excuses and called attestations audits for nearly a decade now; their credibility is shot.
Read the tweet again. What they wrote is perfectly true if they rolled off 30B and are sitting on 10B of trash that needs a huge loss provision. They never say they liquidated all their CP holdings. I suspect that tweet is truthful but completely misleading.
They do separately say that; https://tether.to/en/tether-slashes-commercial-paper-to-zero....
(They have, of course, repeatedly lied elsewhere on that website.)
Similarily, their website lied for years about 1:1 USD backing in their accounts, and they faked it by moving money that wasn't theirs (likely Bitfinex customer holdings) in and out of their accounts. https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-...
> The OAG’s investigation found that, starting no later than mid-2017, Tether had no access to banking, anywhere in the world, and so for periods of time held no reserves to back tethers in circulation at the rate of one dollar for every tether, contrary to its representations. In the face of persistent questions about whether the company actually held sufficient funds, Tether published a self-proclaimed ‘verification’ of its cash reserves, in 2017, that it characterized as “a good faith effort on our behalf to provide an interim analysis of our cash position.” In reality, however, the cash ostensibly backing tethers had only been placed in Tether’s account as of the very morning of the company’s ‘verification.’
> On November 1, 2018, Tether publicized another self-proclaimed ‘verification’ of its cash reserve; this time at Deltec Bank & Trust Ltd. of the Bahamas. The announcement linked to a letter dated November 1, 2018, which stated that tethers were fully backed by cash, at one dollar for every one tether. However, the very next day, on November 2, 2018, Tether began to transfer funds out of its account, ultimately moving hundreds of millions of dollars from Tether’s bank accounts to Bitfinex’s accounts. And so, as of November 2, 2018 — one day after their latest ‘verification’ — tethers were again no longer backed one-to-one by U.S. dollars in a Tether bank account.
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.02.17_-_settlemen...
https://www.cftc.gov/media/6646/enftetherholdingsorder101521...
(both PDF)
the incompetence (as well as the lies) is just amazing
from the outside it looks like an unregulated, impossibly opaque fractional reserve system.
Its pegged to the dollar, or what ever. But none of them are resilient against a run, well, not and be profitable.
The problem is not one of theoretical possibility, the problem is one of perverse incentives. Tether's operators have no reason not to go to Vegas and put all that money on a coin flip. Heads they win, tails their 'clients' lose. They'd be idiots to not do something like that.
There are still some risks (company will get hacked, executives will go rogue, banks won't be prepared for a major run) but these are fundamentally the sort of risks that the US banking industry has some experience with. These risks have nothing to do with what's going on at Tether: they don't seem to be regulated at all.
A: "...an unregulated, impossibly opaque fractional reserve system."
Answering your own questions, well done. :)
In either case offering a price in USDC for example would meet your needs. Your customers can pay in crypto but what you get is essentially the same as dollars (excluding transaction fees), so goods can be priced the same in crypto and cash and you're not exposed to crypto volatility on your holdings for the most part.
So if you have a use case for businesses to price things in a stablecoin, then it follows that there are use cases for people to get stablecoin to use and therefore usecases for creating stablecoins, exchanging them for other crypto etc.
I wonder if all this money that these people keep "misplacing" is softening inflation at all.
There were over $10b in redemptions over a couple days in may.
“They’re definitely insolvent”.
Source on the “definitely”?
“but that only causes immediate failure when enough people try to withdraw at once”
You mean illiquid, not insolvent.
This demonstrated they had at least $10B of the claimed $80ish at the time.
Bernie Madoff was able to fulfill fairly hefty redemptions, too, until he ran out and the whole thing collapsed. Tether has yet to hit that point, but it's not evidence they've got all the money they claim to possess.
We don't know how close to collapsing that $10B took them.
The number of Tethers outstanding went down by $10bn. That says nothing about redemptions. They could have just cancelled Tether held in affiliated or random peoples’ wallets, we don’t know.
> You mean illiquid, not insolvent
If I have a $10bn debt due and $10bn of real estate, I’m illiquid. If I have a $10bn debt due and my real estate is worth $8bn, I’m insolvent. All evidence to date points to Tether being insolvent.
This is functionally similar to selling the stocks in your brokerage account but keeping the cash in your brokerage firm, with the addition of brokerage firm’s total cash being publicly reported in real time. It is unlikely that number goes down because people dont really withdraw from their brokerage accounts, they continue to add more cash and wait for opportunities.
And, yes, it is virtually certain that they have taken massive losses (seen the state of the crypto markets and ecosystem lately?). The big unknown, as ever, remains how much actual assets they have and how liquid they are.
Not because Tether is fully solvent, there are just a lot of straight up ponzi schemes and various other scams and frauds that have collapsed first. Tether having any % of actual dollars makes them more resilient to market pressure than schemes with zero real backing.
What they don't know, as someone involved in this space, is that Tether is insanely profitable. Putting the legality of their business aside, Tether generates mad yields on their assets; which made them able to absorb lots of losses. It's profitable business and that's why they keep doing it.
Also Tether is not completely the wild west as some people here assumes. They have lots of scrutiny from different US government institutions. The US could have shut them down overnight but they didn't. The US probably had its reasons for that.
What about DAI that is backed by ETH and other volatile assets? What about OUSD, which is a yield-bearing stablecoin that is backed by other stablecoins?
If they were borrowing stables against their BTC, they could deploy those into Anchor for 20% APY which was far higher than they could have gotten lending out BTC directly. It was still a terrible idea, but it's not accurate to say the collateral was not being used productively to generate yield.
[1] https://www.fdic.gov/analysis/cfr/bank-research-conference/a...
Shocking! The company that lied about their holdings, that lied about providing audit results, that lied about their relationship with Bitfinex?
That company is still acting questionably? I'm shocked.