I'm not sure I understand the importance of these hackers being Indian as opposed as from any other region?
2. Standard editorial racism a la "The Oriental Threat".
Reminds me of the "voter ID is racist" argument
- Because just mentioning it adds the following dimensions to the headline: geopolitics, outsourcing, human resources in the developing world, cybercrime & jurisdiction challenges
- Because it's allegedly true
Also notably, people that have a thong against Indians and Asians I encountered in real life have literally zero idea about internal subdivision. They could not tell sub-groups apart, not by look and not by language. If you have a thing against people from India, it is India in general and you don't care about anything else.
Why not? Doesn't media regularly customize their headlines to avoid stating factually true things that would propagate negative stereotypes against minorities and other protected groups?
I think most responsible media organizations do avoid putting headlines like "Muslim man stabs three in church in Nice". Even if they do mention the religion, it is usually called "Islamic terrorism", and they have also invested quite some significant effort into emphasizing that most of regular Islamic people do not in fact have anything to do with Islamic terrorism.
As far as I can tell, media companies certainly seem to be aware of the effect their headlines can have on propagating negative stereotypes and good editorial judgement usually involves an attempt to avoid doing that as much as possible.
"I think it's covered in the Dark Basin episode of Darknet Diaries, but India apparently has a reputation for especially aggressive private investigators, who were historically used to dig up dirt on families before committing to marriage pacts, but in the modern era are used regularly for PR and corporate blackmail. Apparently this practice is ingrained enough into the culture that digging up dirt on people by any means necessary is widely accepted, and not even illegal in most contexts."
Please tell me more about how India can ever be used purely as a location.
The comment is referring to the standard practices of private investigators in this country, and the nature of the corporate world based on what has been seen in some TV show
What's the problem with this?
Hypothetical example: I once watched a documentary about Africa and smuggling of ivory and it showed X, Y and Z. What does this mean? That because of this documentary I have a bias about Africa which now shapes all my decision making? Where does that line get drawn? I consumed the information, what does that have to do with how it affects my opinion of the people there?
If I walk into a friend's business, and say "woah, I did not know you hired a <derogative racist term>, they're all stupid you should fire him" and the friend immediately goes "ooh I forgot to be racist, yea I'll fire them immediately" then their firing would absolutely be racist despite the person being fired not witnessing the racist logic that causes it.
Equally with voter ID laws, they're not racist because they put mean racist message onto the ID cards or something, and whether or not victims of that sort of racist politics notice doesn't mean racism isn't involved. If somebody says "I don't think we need voter IDs, but in my district only the <some race of people> don't have photo IDs and they would all want to vote for my opponent, so let's require ID to vote!" then those people have had a racist and very unfair thing happen against them, regardless of whether they are "thinking of racism".
edit: and as a slightly easier example, if I edited a newspaper and decided that for every negative story about one skin colour would get front page billing, and every negative story about my own skin colour would get binned rather than published, then all my paper's readers might be able to look at every single article without seeing any racism in them - but their not knowing doesn't change that my theoretical editing was racist.
- Even if you use the broader definition to include nationality, in this case, the "hackers" are physically located in the geopolitical boundaries of India
- Nearly every major country with a large enough population has people in whitehat/blackhat infosec professions. It is an incredible reach to suggest that newspapers should not identify the national origin of these individuals because of what some racist readers might start to believe or become biased towards, by drawing non-existent lines to patterns that don't exist except in their own bubbles. Editorial standards and responsibility should not be driven by the weakest minds.
Popular dictionaries (Webster/Oxford) don't include national origin
The usage of the word "racism" to include xenophobia is common enough in a casual context that I cannot believe that you are simply not aware of that usage. By choosing to argue over the semantics of the word racism over usage you probably already are familiar with, you are diverting attention from what really matters here: that said racism or xenophobia exists and negatively affects real human beings.
(Not that any xenophobia is particularly better than any other, but it’s difficult to talk to people when they use broader meanings for words you thought meant very specific thing. See also terrorism vs insurgency, genocide vs occupation, etc.)
If anything, attempts to redefine racism as only American variant where it is all about shades of color is redefinition.
And obviously, ethnicity and geography goes with races.
The article makes it seem that India as a whole is operating in some North Korea-ish way.
A US citizen can well complain to CERT-IN (https://www.cert-in.org.in/) for any reported cybercrime with proper documents and it will be treated as an enforceable crime.
In fact, quite funny considering the US Chambers of Commerce have filed an appeal with CERT-IN that the compliance requirements are very stringent (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/cert-in...)
Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...
Your link [1] mentions no sign of Indian law enforcement. Instead, “Singapore authorities apprehended Patel at the request of the United States…after Patel flew there from India…charges remain pending for other India-based defendants.”
[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...
Oct 4 2022:
On inputs from FBI and Interpol, CBI, police forces search 105 locations to combat cyber crime: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-target...
31 Aug 2022:
Fake call centre busted in Gurugram, six held for cheating foreign citizens: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/fake-call-centre-b...
04 Aug 2022:
Fake call centre: Cyber cell contacts FBI, CBI & ED: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/fake-call-...
30 Dec 2020:
India's CBI helped US sleuths shut down a call centre scam that impersonated Microsoft at times: https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/us-india-c...
17 Oct 2020:
Call centre fraud: US, CBI bust call centres defrauding elderly Americans: https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/call-centre-frau...
Sure. I am just pushing back on “very well enforced.” It’s not. Not out of malice. But because the problem is hard.
That guy or gal calling your grandparents about that "fixing that virus" or "refunding that amazon purchase" begs to differ...
"Solomon’s suit is the latest in a series of legal actions that follows Reuters’ reporting about hired hackers operating out of India."
Since I missed that sentence it seemed odd compared to hackers out of Romania or anywhere else.
Baltic hackers have been around since the internet became mainstream really. The fall of the Soviet union lead to economic hardship in most of the areas well known for hacking - and those kids coming of age shortly after had the brand new age of information to take advantage of.
They're accusing a specific group of for hire hackers (BellTroX and CyberRoot) in Delhi.
Solomon and Azima allege that Dechert undertook the hack-and-leak operation in the interest of its client, Sheikh Saud bin Saqr al-Qasimi, ruler of the Middle Eastern emirate of Ras Al Khaimah.
What kind of gun was used in a killing is much less important than who paid for the killing, no?
during our college days our profs literalt recommended studying online resources in youtube made by indians, because they got better coverage than most of our curriculum. we laugh at their accent but we owe them a lot.
BellTroX is well known and the Indian government seems to approve of their activities.